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Louis Epstein
2016-04-21 17:23:59 UTC
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The Queen's 90th Birthday revision.
Her Majesty has now been alive for most of the time since April 22nd 1836,
and for most of the time from her birth until April 20th 2106.
A Chief of Naval Staff and First Sea Lord born in 1960 recently took
office.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 69,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
under 3 weeks past 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past
67),the future George V was over 6 months from 23(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-05-14 23:17:35 UTC
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This is a revision for the "half-birthday" of the Prince of Wales,
as he is halfway between 67 and 68.
I am not sure whether the odds are yet with his reaching 70 while
both his parents are still alive (the Queen turned 90 last month
and Prince Philip turns 95 next month) but they improve daily.

At 67.5 King Edward VII had less than a year to live (May 9th 1909 to
May 6th 1910) and George IV was even closer to his end...he turned
67 in August 1829 and died in June 1830 about four and a half months
after his "half-birthday".
(George V reached this age in December 1932 and died in January 1936).

As regards the below most-of situation,you'll note that we're getting
to where the then Prince of Wales and his son were about equally distant
from the current age of the Duke of Cambridge....when I started this file
the royal grandsons were roughly comparable.


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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 2nd 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 69,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
a week from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is now 6 months past 67),
the future George V was under 5 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-06-11 04:38:51 UTC
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Queen's Official Birthday revision...Prince Philip has turned 95
and Prince William,now added to the Privy Council,will soon be 34.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 11th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 weeks from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 67),
the future George V was under 5 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than five years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-06-21 14:38:06 UTC
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A revision for the birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
who at 34 has now been around for most of his father's life.
He seems set to set a record for oldest age to become Prince
of Wales.

I see that the ages of Queen Victoria and the Prince of Wales
in the file are now both approaching 68 from opposite directions.

We're not far from reaching the credited date of birth of the
oldest person to reach 2003,who was only about eight months
younger than the oldest to reach 2002.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,barely 4 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 68),
the future George V was under 4 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his
father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2003).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-07-18 01:51:23 UTC
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A revision to mark the death of the Earl of St. Germans,
because the new peer becomes the youngest peer,born 2004,
extending the range of birth years of peers in the present reign.

At the Queen's accession the oldest peer was the Earl of Dunraven
and Mount-Earl born in 1857,as far as I know...the then Earl of
St. Germans was born in 1870 (grandfather of the deceased peer
who was grandfather of the new one).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 30th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 68),
the future George V was under 3 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 weeks past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-08-08 17:24:20 UTC
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The present reign has reached 64.5 years...
its midpoint is now in May 1984,
the one- and two-thirds points in August 1973 and February 1995,
and the one- and three-quarter points in March 1968 and June 2000.

The next revision of the below should see a George V Prime Minister
join the George VI Prime Ministers currently listed.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 68),
the future George V was under 3 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
nearly 7 weeks past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Chamberlain was a teenager,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,and no
later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-08-25 06:08:19 UTC
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I noted elsewhere the start of this series of postings coming
just after the reign had reached 58 years in length...here now
the latest...at the beginning I referred to the Golden Jubilee
in error but now it is being reached.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 25th 1887.

Queen Victoria,barely 2 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 68),
the future George V was under 2 months past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-09-07 03:20:45 UTC
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The present reign has now reached 64 years 7 months,
about a year longer then Queen Victoria's.
The Prince of Wales is now at an age that King Edward VII
(died May 6th 1910) did not reach until September 1909...
and will reach the age at which King George IV died by the
end of this month.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 14th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 2 months past 68,was on the throne,in the year of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 68),
the future George V was under 6 weeks past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and HMS Temeraire had yet to make port under
sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,but the oldest Field Marshal was the
3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),who had ordered the Charge of the
Light Brigade.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-10-25 17:09:04 UTC
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The Queen is now closer to 91 than 90,and the below period has
expanded to before the 1887 birthdays of Victoria and George V;
a new Baron makes his debut.The midpoint of the present reign
is now moving through June 1984,nearly 40 years after the midpoint
of the previous.

The death of the King of Thailand (that realm's monarch for most
of the time since 1876) of course makes the Queen the world's longest
reigning monarch in his place.

I note that the next Malaysian rotating suzerain has been elected,
as the present,first-ever second-term,monarch reaches the end of
his five years,and the man who would follow in five years' time and
then become the second second-term monarch of Malaysia was NOT elected
to the deputy-king position,perhaps because of ill health.

-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 23rd 1887.

Queen Victoria,a day from 68,was on the throne,nearly a month before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 68),
the future George V was over a week from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-11-14 17:11:48 UTC
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A revision for the 68th birthday of the Prince of Wales...
a birthday George IV never reached,the last Edward VII reached
(under six months before his death),and which George V reached
only after twenty-three years on the Throne.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1887.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 68,was on the throne,over a month before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
over 6 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is now 68),
the future George V was a month from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2016-12-06 21:03:29 UTC
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Today the present British reign reaches 64 years,10 months...
with its midpoint now in July 1984,forty years after the middle
of George VI's reign in July 1944.Of course only a notably long
reign leads to those of the era being identified with the reign.
Queen Victoria's regnal midpoint was in early 1869,Edward VII's in
September 1905,so Victorians and Edwardians can be distinguished,
yet no one spent a life of note as the latter alone.

A revision:


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 6 weeks from 68,was on the throne,over 2 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
only 5 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 weeks past 68),
the future George V was nearly 8 weeks from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,and the 1st Lord Ebury,
born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-01-03 23:42:12 UTC
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A revision to welcome 2017:

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 16th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 68,was on the throne,over 3 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 68),
the future George V was over 2 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-02-06 05:19:24 UTC
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A revision to mark 65 years of Her Majesty's reign.
Also about the 7th anniversary of my postings of this file.

I believe I timed the first version for when the most-of date
first moved before the birth of Macmillan,so Attlee would be
the last-born Prime Minister covered...I hope that in time Her
Majesty will chase him all the way back into the womb,in the
meantime Baldwin and Chamberlain have replaced Churchill in
the "teenage" department and within months they will be joined
by Ramsay Macdonald.

65 years can be evenly divided into 5 periods of 13 years:
1952-1965,1965-1978,1978-1991,1991-2004,2004-2017.
The middle period neatly brackets Thatcher's Prime Ministership
(1979-90) as the center of the reign moves through the same
month as the center of that period,August 1984.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 9th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 68,was on the throne,over 4 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was only
3 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 68),
the future George V was over 3 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-02-28 02:21:37 UTC
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We now stretch back before the birth of the oldest person to reach
the year 2002 (which was the Queen's Golden Jubilee year).

I note that not only 65,the number of completed years of the reign,
but 91,the age the Queen reaches in April,is evenly divisible by 13,
so the reign can be looked at as five and Her Majesty's life as seven
13-year segments.

In recent days the last sitting MP born before 1932 has died...so
everyone now in the Commons was,if born,not yet old enough to sit
at the start of this reign.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 19th 1887.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 68,was on the throne,over 5 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 68),
the future George V was over 4 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-01-21 02:13:27 UTC
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As the present reign stretches into another United States presidency,
yet another revision.Trump is the third president of the USA to have
been five years old at the Queen's accession,with Obama not yet born
then (and likely all future presidents likewise).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 26th 1887.

Queen Victoria,nearly 3 months from 68,was on the throne,over 3 months before
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 68),
the future George V was over 3 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 5 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-03-17 22:11:05 UTC
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We now stretch back into 1886...a year somewhat less eventful
in terms of changes to this file than 1885 will be,but if the Queen
beats the odds and lives through 2021 this file will get back through
1882...before Attlee's birth.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 30th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-03-31 21:47:38 UTC
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I now note that IF Queen Victoria had reigned as long as Queen Elizabeth
II has thus far,she would have lived past the historical August 1902
coronation date of Edward VII(a year and a half after his accession).

Edward VII did not reach the present age of the Prince of Wales until
March 26th 1910 (and of course died on May 6th of that year).This year
should see HRH break Edward's record for time as Prince of Wales despite
his ancestor having been so created at the age of one month compared
to the current Prince's nine years.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 16th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
6 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-04-13 16:50:01 UTC
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We now slip back into the lifetime of another old Field Marshal,
one of the general officers in the Crimean War (who in some cases
got honorary promotions toward the end of their lives).

The midpoint of the current reign is about at the birthdate of
Prince Henry of Wales,whose life will thus no longer be entirely
of its second half...while fewer than 13 of his mother's 36-year
lifetime still fall in the second half as her life belongs
increasingly to the first.

The fifths right now:
February 6 1952-February 19 1965
February 19 1965-March 4 1978
March 4 1978-March 17 1991
March 17 1991-March 30 2004
March 30 2004-present
though of course adjusting daily.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 5th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is nearly 5 months past 68),
the future George V was over 5 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-01 16:40:39 UTC
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Since my last revision a General Election has been called...
among those retiring for reasons of age and health are Sir
Simon Burns,Sir Eric Pickles,and Sir Edward Garnier(all born
in 1952 but after February) and Graham Allen(born January 1953).

Older MPs are in some cases still running (85-year-old Dennis Skinner
would be the oldest MP in decades if he wins and survives a new term)
or revoking decisions to retire just yet,but still,another indication
of the length of this reign that it can include the whole lives of
those calling it a career (as opposed to seeking new careers).

The Queen of course has turned 91 and Princess Charlotte is about to
turn 2.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 18th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
2 weeks past 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 68),
the future George V was over 6 months from 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 months from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-20 21:33:46 UTC
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I started posting these in February 2010,then referencing
February 1894 just before the birth of Macmillan.
Since then,as the current reign has continued,its shadow has
spread back before the commissioning of the Royal Sovereign,
Trafalgar,Victoria,Admiral,and now Colossus class battleships,
including the whole of HMS Victoria's time from 1887 launch
to 1893 accidental sinking.

And still it stretches...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
a week from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-05-25 04:46:28 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
I started posting these in February 2010,then referencing
February 1894 just before the birth of Macmillan.
Since then,as the current reign has continued,its shadow has
spread back before the commissioning of the Royal Sovereign,
Trafalgar,Victoria,Admiral,and now Colossus class battleships,
including the whole of HMS Victoria's time from 1887 launch
to 1893 accidental sinking.
Forgot to mention...the Prince of Wales has now passed the age
at which Edward VII died.
Post by Louis Epstein
And still it stretches...
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1886.
Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 68,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
a week from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,Attlee was three,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-07-22 18:04:41 UTC
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An update for the fourth birthday of Prince George
(who if he matches the current age of the Duke of Edinburgh
will survive to September 2109).
Edward VIII reached age four in June 1898,two years and seven
months before the death of Queen Victoria.

In terms of the ever-receding referenced date below,
we are getting back toward the brief penultimate Gladstone
and first Salisbury ministries.

The midpoint of the current reign is passing through the last days
of October 1984.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 27th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-06-10 19:08:33 UTC
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Happy 96th birthday to Prince Philip (who has thus been alive
for most of the time since June 11th 1825).

This revision welcomes Ramsay Macdonald (died 80 years ago this year)
to the ranks of the teenagers.

A recent milestone is the Queen surpassing her mother's time as a queen
(consort or dowager) from December 1936 to March 2002).So she is the
longest tenured British "Majesty" ever.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 9th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was a
month from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2017-06-10 19:46:49 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
Happy 96th birthday to Prince Philip (who has thus been alive
for most of the time since June 11th 1825).
This revision welcomes Ramsay Macdonald (died 80 years ago this year)
to the ranks of the teenagers.
A recent milestone is the Queen surpassing her mother's time as a queen
(consort or dowager) from December 1936 to March 2002).So she is the
longest tenured British "Majesty" ever.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 9th 1886.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was a
month from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 68),
the future George V was under 5 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.
William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Cheers! and hopefully Jai Maharaj is done in.
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Louis Epstein
2017-06-21 22:57:49 UTC
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Today Prince William turns 35 as second direct heir,
only George V having been so that old previously
(both having been born in that position).

The Prince of Wales was in this position 1948-52,
Edward VIII from 1901-1910,
Charlotte of Wales 1796-1817,
George III 1738-1751,
Frederick Prince of Wales 1714-27,
and before that I think you have to go back to
Edward of Angouleme's brief life (1365-72) followed
by his brother Richard II(1372-1377) to find any
child heir apparent of the Monarch's senior child in England/Britain.

Edward VIII (born 1894) and Frederick Prince of Wales(born 1707)
are the only second direct heirs NOT born as such since Richard II.
Edward I's second son Henry (who died at age six) also was second
heir to Henry III after an older brother who died at age five.

Edward VIII and Prince George of Cambridge are the only ever
third direct heirs (Frederick was born a great-grandson of the
Electress Sophia,but only Queen Anne's death put him in direct line).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was
6 weeks from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-07-08 18:14:27 UTC
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On this occasion I note that the midpoint of the present reign
has reached October 21st 1984,a year and a half before the Queen's
60th birthday...so if she reigns three more years,which the odds
favor,the midpoint will pass that birthday.

I recall a poll years before 1986 being cited that supposedly said
a majority in Britain wanted the Queen to step down at 60 (which is
the age at which UK diplomats and civil servants are obliged to retire.
Of course that alleged desire for her to go had evaporated by the time
the date arrived.

So should the midpoint pass that point,Her Majesty will have spent
most of her reign with persons younger than she being retired from
her service on account of age (which for nearly five and a half years
now has been the lot of those not even born at her accession).

It would however take another decade or more (from now) before most
of the reign had been after the retirement of the last diplomat/civil
servant whose career had begun before the present reign.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 13th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
8 weeks from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-08-12 01:19:36 UTC
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Her Majesty's reign now exceeding sixty-five and a half years,
this posting now references a time sixty-five and a half years
before her accession.

I remember the 1969 investiture of the Prince of Wales,
I anticipate many children were then told he would be King
when they grew up.

Anyone who was twelve at the time and went on to be a UK
diplomat or civil servant has since reached mandatory retirement
age without Charles becoming King yet!

(He is however less than a month from breaking the record for tenure
as Prince of Wales held by Edward VII,who had the advantage of being
so created at the age of one month instead of nearly ten years).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 6th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 69),
the future George V was under 3 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 7 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 89-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-08-16 20:52:36 UTC
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A premature revision perhaps,but prompted by discovery that I
had again done something that prompted a previous premature
revision...omitted for a significant period to revise the
identity of the oldest living baronet at the ever-receding
reference date.

Sir Henry Oxenden(born 1795) in fact did not become the oldest
living baronet until 1888...succeeding the now at last noted
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame(born 1794) who I had cited as
on the horizon (without naming him) when I last remedied my
tardiness on this event.

In about a year the reference date will slip back into the
lifetime of Sir Moses Montefiore,who was oldest baronet for
seven years.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 69),
the future George V was under 2 months past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 8 weeks past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-08-25 21:33:23 UTC
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This revision marks entry into the third Gladstone ministry,which
separated the first two terms of Lord Salisbury.

I also note that the midpoint of the current reign has now reached
the 36th birthday of the Prince of Wales.How likely was it thought then
(November 1984) that most of his time as Heir Apparent still lay ahead?

In about two weeks he adds the record for tenure as Prince of Wales
to his record for tenure as Heir Apparent.

This update should mark the final appearance of Lord William Paulet,
who at the referenced date had only been a Field Marshal for two weeks.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 24th 1886.

Queen Victoria,only 2 months past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 69),
the future George V was under 8 weeks past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),Sir Patrick Grant,and
Lord William Paulet (both born 1804) were Field Marshals,
while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 96-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-09-23 05:23:30 UTC
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Since my last posting on this thread,
the Prince of Wales has broken the record for tenure in that dignity.

The midpoint of the current reign has passed the Queen's 37th
wedding anniversary.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 26th 1886.

Queen Victoria,under 5 weeks past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 2 months from 69),
the future George V was under 4 weeks past 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-10-17 01:23:03 UTC
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Concessions to the Queen's advancing years have been going on for some
time...it was when she was in her sixties that she ceased to ride in the
Trooping of the Colour,and the ever-growing number of Maundy Money
recipients started to receive both purses at once rather than queueing to
see Her Majesty twice.

Nonetheless,it has now been announced that the Queen will no longer lay a
wreath at the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day,being content instead to watch
from a balcony as the Prince of Wales does so.

I have mentioned at times the requirement that members of the Civil and
Diplomatic Services retire on turning sixty.Assuming engagement in such
service on university graduation at twenty-two,the notional length of
such a career would be thirty-eight years,longer than the typical British
reign...thus implying a typical civil servant/diplomat would serve
multiple Sovereigns,whether from one reign into another or if sharing a
career and regnal midpoint starting in one reign,continuing all the way
through a second,and then retiring in a third.

However,the midpoint of the current reign has reached December 10th 1984;
a service career centered on that day (nineteen years before and nineteen
after) would run from 1965 to 2003...the servant having been eight years
old at the Queen's accession,and if still alive now in his seventies
potentially seen a grandchild born since his retirement become a teenager.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 1st 1886.

Queen Victoria,only 8 days past 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under a month from 69),
the future George V was 2 days from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-10-29 03:58:16 UTC
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Another milestone that is approaching...the Queen will soon have lived a
full decade longer than any of her predecessors (the eldest of whom were
Victoria,May 24th 1819-January 22nd 1901,and George III,June 4th 1738-
January 29th 1820).

She is still a decade short of her mother's lifespan though over 35
years past her father's.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 20th 1886.

Queen Victoria,4 days short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 69),
the future George V was 2 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-11-07 23:01:46 UTC
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When I started this file in early 2010,
the death of Alexander III of Russia was one
of those closest after the referenced date
(then in early 1894,he died that November).

I've rewritten the later copy to clarify that as the
date moves back we've now covered most of the distance
to his father's assassination in 1881.

(We've also slipped back past Queen Victoria's 67th birthday
and gone nearly halfway between the 45th and 44th birthdays
of her successor).

In one week,the current Prince of Wales turns 69.
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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 10th 1886.

Queen Victoria,2 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was nearly
6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is only a week from 69),
the future George V was over 3 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII(born 1810)
had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-11-14 16:23:39 UTC
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Reposting revision for the 69th birthday of the Prince of Wales.
Both of the other old Princes of Wales who lived through the other
two longest British reigns (George III and Victoria) died as King
before reaching their 69th birthdays...George IV before his 68th.
George V,whose record for oldest son of a Prince of Wales the
Duke of Cambridge should break in February,died at 70.

Next week the Queen marks 70 years of marriage...odds are next year
the Prince of Wales will turn 70 with two living parents.

I think this is the first revision to note the senior baronet.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII
was over 6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is now 69),
the future George V was over a month from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2001).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-11-27 18:45:18 UTC
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A revision to celebrate the royal engagement.

I note that:

The midpoint of the present reign has now moved into 1985

The reference point below has now reached 40 years before the Queen's
birth.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 21st 1886.

Queen Victoria,over a month short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 45 (the current Prince of Wales is now 13 days past 69),
the future George V was over 6 weeks from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2017-12-19 20:35:30 UTC
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Now the two-thirds point of the current reign has moved into 1996.

I have made previous mention of the civil/diplomatic service mandatory
retirement age of 60,and I suppose I should note that since 2007 it has
not applied to new hires,and certain exemptions are also offered.
I do not know if the recent rises in pension age have policymaker
exemptions like laws in the USA that prevent factory workers but
not corporate executives from being pushed out at 65...for example,
if a CMG whose only available postings would be to head an embassy or
a Foreign Office department would be able to hang on hoping for a
chance at a post that would carry a knighthood,or whether he would
be retired while a consular clerk the same age would enjoy security.

However,I noted before the creep of the midpoint of the reign toward
the Queen's 60th birthday,and that if it is reached then the Queen
will have been seeing persons younger than she retired on account of age
for most of her reign...it might be tempting fate,but if Her Majesty
lasts long enough for the midpoint to reach February 1990,then most
of the reign will have seen those whose careers did not even begin
before the reign started being retired on account of age.

The below moves steadily deeper into the ironclad era for the
Royal Navy...HMS Victoria,which would sink in 1893,was not
launched until 1887,and various converted wooden-hulled ships
were not sold until 1886.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 29th 1886.

Queen Victoria,8 weeks short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is 5 weeks past 69),
the future George V was over 2 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than three years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he would shortly
give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-01-05 00:47:46 UTC
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A new year's update...noting that the midpoint of the current
reign has now reached that of the Reagan presidency (which
began almost 29 years after Her Majesty's accession and ended
almost 29 years ago).

The Thatcher-and-Diana years are likely to be recalled as the
middle years of this reign,but ever may the reign extend!
Next month the Duke of Cambridge becomes the oldest-ever son
of a Prince of Wales.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 12th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before her
Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 7 weeks past 69),
the future George V was over 2 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 35),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only five weeks past two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-02-06 21:23:37 UTC
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An update for the 66th anniversary of the Queen's accession...
the last update before we get back to before Viscount Eversley(1794-1888)
became the oldest peer,or the Waterloo-veteran Lord Albemarle the oldest
Earl.

Of course a 66-year reign divides evenly into
33,22,and 11-year periods.From now on the middle
two-thirds of the reign will exceed 44 years.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 69),
the future George V was over 3 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 36),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent
to his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was just days past two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-02-20 18:56:58 UTC
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And now an update after the Duke of Cambridge has broken the
record for oldest son of a Prince of Wales,and the referenced
date has moved back past the death of the 2nd Earl of Stradbroke.

The current reign of course has an ever-moving midpoint now in
mid-February 1985,while those of past reigns are fixed (in
the case of Queen Victoria at April 6,1869).As occasionally
noted,the once unexceptional feat of living in six reigns
would take a lifespan of only 51 years 17 days if someone was
born January 21st 1901 (the day before Queen Victoria died)
and died February 7th 1952(the day after the current Queen's accession).

But longer lives than that could be centered on either midpoint,
with someone born in September 1843 and dying in October 1894
having over 6 years of Queen Victoria's reign with multiple changes
of government on either side,and someone born in August 1959 and
dying in August 2010 having missed about seven and a half years
at the start of this reign and an ever greater period recently
(from the time Queen Mary was alive and Churchill and Attlee
led their parties,to the entire engagement and marriage of the
Cambridges).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 25th 1886.

Queen Victoria,nearly 4 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 69),
the future George V was over 4 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 4 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than a week under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was three,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was Prime Minister...he had lately been
elected in the first election in which most men could vote,and would
shortly give way to Lord Salisbury but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-03-15 22:28:04 UTC
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The referenced date is about to move back from 1886 to 1885,
which will be an eventful year for the file.
I actually should have reflected the Salisbury/Gladstone shift last time.
The most recent evolution is the move back past Attlee's third birthday.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 2nd 1886.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months short of 67,was on the throne,the year before
her Golden,11 years before her Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 69),
the future George V was over 5 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than a month under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-two years.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was about to return as Prime Minister
as a result of the first election in which most men could vote,and would
after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury (who was leaving
office after his (also brief) first term in office after replacing
Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-04-08 18:26:45 UTC
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The first posted version with an 1885 reference date.
The midpoint of the current reign is now in March 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 12th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 weeks past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 69),
the future George V was over 5 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eleven,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was ongoing,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-04-21 18:44:55 UTC
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A Queen's Birthday revision.
(Today Her Majesty is 92...none of her predecessors ever reached 82).
The reference date now moves back before Churchill's 11th birthday
and into the life of the 12th Duke of Somerset.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 27th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 69),
the future George V was over 6 months from 21(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was ongoing,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother under three years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls were the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,
born 1794,commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount,and I believe senior peer,was the 2nd Frankfort
de Montmorency,who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-05-19 20:27:39 UTC
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A revision for the wedding of the Duke of Sussex.

(Prince George is now months older than his grandfather was at
the most recent Coronation...and the reference date below now
has moved back into the time of a peer who acceded to his title
before Queen Victoria was born).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months short of 67,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 12 days
from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 69),
the future George V was under 5 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 weeks from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 3 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 2000).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote was about to begin,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804) was a Field Marshal,while
Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother not much over two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-grandfather of the 90-year-old present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-06-10 17:31:19 UTC
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A revision for the 97th birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh.

Recent changes reflect the reference date's moving back into the
lifetime of the 1st Baron Strathnairn,and I took the time to
note the very early lieutenant-colonelcy of Lord Lucan (a
pre-Cardwell-reforms purchased commission,naturally).Also,
the 5th Baron Cottesloe died May 21st,at age 91...nine months
younger than the Queen,and years younger than his father
(1900-1994) and grandfather (1862-1956) lived to be,the
line being uniformly long-lived with the below-noted 1st
Baron (1798-1890) being succeeded by the 2nd(1830-1918).


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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 6th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
a month from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 69),
the future George V was under 5 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was nearly 4 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

The first general election in which most men could vote would soon begin,
and would result in the return as Prime Minister of William Gladstone
(born 1809),who would after a short term pass power back to Lord Salisbury
(who was leaving office after his (also brief) first term in office after
replacing Disraeli as Conservative leader) but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer).
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-06-21 19:32:57 UTC
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A revision for the 36th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,
the first person to reach that age while still son of the
Prince of Wales.

It's not that long since my last revision,but in the interval
we have seen the third Chief of the Defence Staff born in
the current reign give way to the fourth,and the deaths of
Lord Strathcona and Mount Royal (leaving only 15 hereditary
peers older than the Queen) and the 18th Earl of Eglinton,
and the annual Garter Ceremony,which saw the installation of
the first non-royal Knight Companion to have been born in
the current reign (the 3rd Viscount Brookeborough,who turns 66
at the end of the month).

In the reference file,note the debut of the 7th Earl of Shaftesbury.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1885.

Queen Victoria,barely 4 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 70),
the future George V was under 4 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 4 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury had yet to reach the midpoint of his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-07-22 17:47:59 UTC
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Today's revision is for the 5th birthday of Prince George of Cambridge.

HRH becomes the third son of a son of a Prince of Wales to reach that
age,following Edward VIII in June 1898 and George VI in December 1900
(the month before his grandfather became King).In forty days he becomes
second-oldest ever son of a son of Prince of Wales,and stands to set
a new record in February 2020 should the Queen and Prince of Wales
still be living then.

I thought I'd go into a few ancillary records that have yet to be
broken (the record for oldest Sovereign was broken a decade ago!),
their likelihood of being broken of course receding in accord with
how far into the future this would happen.

Kaiser Wilhelm II was the oldest-ever grandchild of a British Sovereign,
turning 42 five days after Queen Victoria died...Peter Phillips turns 42
in November 2019.
Queen Victoria's second grandchild and oldest granddaughter
(Charlotte of Prussia,later Duchess of Saxe-Meiningen) was almost
6 months past 40 when Victoria died,Zara Phillips would get there
in November 2021.
Prince William,Duke of Cambridge,is already the oldest-ever son of a
Prince of Wales,and was born the Queen's third grandchild;
Queen Victoria's third grandchild was Prince Heinrich (Henry) of Prussia,
born in August 1862,so Prince William would beat that if he lives five
months past 38 (November 2020).

Princess Charlotte (born May 2015) would pass George VI as the
oldest second child of a son of a Prince of Wales in June 2020
(but the late Princess Royal Countess of Harewood as oldest daughter
of a son of a Prince of Wales in January 2019).

Prince Louis(born April 2018) would pass the Princess Royal Countess
of Harewood as oldest third child of a son of a Prince of Wales in
January 2022,but George VI as oldest second son of a son of a
Prince of Wales in early June 2023.

Records for grandchildren of a Prince of Wales are a bit more demanding
as Edward VII's eldest daughter had her children before his son had his
(Princess Alexandra Duchess of Fife in May 1891 and Princess Maud
Countess of Southesk in April 1893).

For Prince George to beat Princess Alexandra,his grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in March 2023;
for Princess Charlotte to beat Princess Maud,her grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in January 2023;
For Prince Louis to beat Edward VIII,his grandfather would
have to still be Prince of Wales in November 2024.

As for the overall record for great-grandchild of a sovereign,
Queen Victoria died when Feodora of Saxe-Meiningen was 8 months
past 21...Savannah Phillips was born in the closing days of 2010
and would have to get most of the way through 2032 with the Queen
alive at 106!

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 28th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 70),
the future George V was under 3 months past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 5 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury had yet to reach the midpoint of his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir John Buckworth-Herne-Soame,born 1794,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-08-21 15:43:37 UTC
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After eight and a half years of revisions,
four months into the Queen's ninety-third year
and two months into the Duke of Cambridge's 37th,
I am thrilled to post the update marking the debut
of Sir Moses Montefiore.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 27th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 70),
the future George V was under 8 weeks past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 2 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 6 months under two years old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still in
the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

Lord Salisbury was early in his first,brief,
term as Prime Minister,which ended with the first general election in
which most men could vote,which would result in the return as Prime
Minister of William Gladstone (born 1809),who would after a short term
pass power back to Salisbury the next year but return to office in 1892.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
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The midpoint of the current reign has moved into June 1985
as the reference date in the file moves back through June 1885.
(I started in February 2010 referencing February 1894...when the
regnal midpoint was in February 1981).

Note this time that we have moved back past the keel-laying of a
ship sunk in 1893.

-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 12th 1885.

Queen Victoria,under 3 weeks past 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is under 6 weeks from 70),
the future George V was only 9 days past 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 5 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His recent government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which established the norm of single-member constituencies) but these
had yet to actually come into effect with the following election and the
latter had not yet received Royal Assent.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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2016-09-28 05:45:39 UTC
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With this revision the considered date has reached the 50th anniversary of the
accession of Queen Victoria (June 20th 1837).
I believe the formal celebration was on June 21st 1887 which was also the
date on which the Earl of Lucan was promoted to Field Marshal (though he
had not held a command post since his infamous tenure at the cavalry
division at Balaclava).

Once we get back to December 1886 an even older Field Marshal will show up.

The Prince of Wales has just passed the age at which George IV died
(67 years 318 days).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 20th 1887.

Queen Victoria,under 4 weeks past 68,was on the throne,in the week of
her Golden,ten years before Diamond,Jubilee.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 46 (the current Prince of Wales is under 7 weeks from 68),
the future George V was under 3 weeks past 22(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 34),not yet Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to
his father;nor was his elder brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).

Baldwin and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was twelve,Attlee was four,
and no later Prime Minister had yet been born (nor had any person in the world
alive after 2002).
Keir Hardie's Independent Labour Party,let alone the Labour Party proper,
did not yet exist.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was years from
adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete before World War I
had yet to be laid down.Ships built with sailing rigs were still
in the active fleet,and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make
port under sail alone for the final time.

William Gladstone(born 1809) was years from his last term as
Prime Minister.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
Sir Patrick Grant and Lord William Paulet (both born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while the 3rd Earl of Lucan(born 1800),
who had ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to
receive his promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had
succeeded his elder brother less than four years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) was a
Knight of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls was the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803).
The eldest of Earls,however,was the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,
a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,and I believe oldest peer,was the 1st and last
of Eversley,born in 1794 and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
Barons included the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor
since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Henry Oxenden,born 1795,was the oldest baronet.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III was Emperor and Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias
and Leo XIII(born 1810) was Pope.Slavery was still legal in Brazil.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-11-14 19:15:15 UTC
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A revision for the 70th birthday of the Prince of Wales.

I recall posting to alt.politics.british in 1995 marking the
69th birthday of the Queen,and Mike Dickson of Black Cat Software
responding "I sincerely hope she never sees 70"...so my Queen's
birthday post the next year was headed "Mike Dickson Frustrated!".

Now it is her son who turns 70,with living parents,
and with grandchildren George and Charlotte respectively
years older than the young Charles and Anne were at the
commencement of the present reign.

Milestones for the Prince in the coming year include surpassing
the age at which King George V died,and the 50th anniversary of
his investiture in Wales (which I remember watching on television,
I expect most who did thought he would be King by now!).

The midpoint of the current reign has reached past the third
birthday of the Duke of Cambridge,and is nearly at his mother's
24th birthday (she died the month after turning 36,so about two
thirds of her life already belong to the first half of the present
reign and only the last year remains in its currently-final third).

As for my reference file updated below,
this should be the final appearance for Admirals
Keppel and Milne as they will be consigned to the
junior officers' mess on the imminent arrival of a
far more senior admiral.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 44 (the current Prince of Wales is now 70),
the future George V was over a month from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 36--George V was Duke of Cornwall at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

Sir Henry Keppel (born 1809,a lieutenant 1829),Sir Alexander
Milne(born 1806,a lieutenant 1827,commander 1830),and even
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813)
were among the Admirals of the Fleet.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2018-12-06 23:16:54 UTC
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As promised...the debut of Sir George Sartorius,
last survivor of the Battle of Trafalgar.

We are getting back to the earliest stages of the future
Archbishop Temple's tenure in London,he died not long after
crowning Edward VII...soon we will write of the London time
of the man who consecrated Temple a bishop in 1869.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 9th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 5 weeks from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only
5 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 weeks past 70),
the future George V was nearly 8 weeks from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 36--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest British
royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than two years before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 97-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him.
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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Louis Epstein
2019-01-01 02:22:44 UTC
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As a year comes to an end,I post a revision to remark on the recent
discovery by me of a person whose career bridges the period from the
reference date to the current Queen's accession...the late Admiral
Sir Herbert Heath.

Commissioned Lieutenant R.N. in 1884 (still before the ever receding
reference date) he was one of the senior Lieutanants aboard HMS
Victoria in its referenced collision with HMS Camperdown in 1893
(had the rank of Lieutenant Commander yet existed in the Royal Navy
(it dates to 1914) he would have held it by seniority,and was
promoted Commander in 1896).

He finished the Great War as Second Sea Lord,and survived until 1954;
thus he was alive when the Queen elevated the Duke of Edinburgh over his
as Admiral of the Fleet in 1953 (the Duke was born when Sir Herbert
was in his final,four-star active posting).

The civil servants and diplomats born in 1958 have now retired on account
of age;those born in 1959 are about to join them;
the Queen who acceded in 1952 continues.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 18th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 weeks past 70),
the future George V was over 2 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 36--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop-designate of London and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 2 months over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-01-20 17:47:35 UTC
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The reference date has now moved back before Bishop (future Archbishop)
Temple was nominated to the vacant see of London.

I've lately read that the Prince of Wales declined to take part in a
documentary on the 40th anniversary of his investiture as Prince of
Wales in 1969 (which I dimly recall seeing on television),suggesting
that the 50th anniversary would be a more appropriate occasion.

And here we are in the year of that 50th anniversary and he is still
Prince of Wales.Odds would have been against it then but he was right.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 25th 1885.

Queen Victoria,nearly 3 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 70),
the future George V was over 3 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
barely 5 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was less than 3 weeks over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-02-07 19:01:39 UTC
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The Queen's reign has now entered its sixty-eighth year.

I started posting this about nine years ago,after the 58th regnal
anniversary and the reference date having moved back beyond the birth
of Harold Macmillan (February 10th 1894).

So the period covered as less than twice the reign has grown by about
eighteen years...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 7th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 70),
the future George V was over 3 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only 2 days over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-
grandfather of the 98-year-old present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe
(born 1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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Post by Louis Epstein
The reference date has now moved back before Bishop (future Archbishop)
Temple was nominated to the vacant see of London.
I've lately read that the Prince of Wales declined to take part in a
documentary on the 40th anniversary of his investiture as Prince of
Wales in 1969 (which I dimly recall seeing on television),suggesting
that the 50th anniversary would be a more appropriate occasion.
And here we are in the year of that 50th anniversary and he is still
Prince of Wales.Odds would have been against it then but he was right.
There has just been a palace reception marking that anniversary (a bit
early since the investiture took place on July 1st).

I note that the birth of the current Duke of York and marriage of the
Duke of Cambridge are separated by more time than the deaths of Queen
Victoria and King George VI (another perspective on the "lived in the
reigns of six sovereigns" random distinction that can cover far less
time than one reign).

The younger sons of the Queen were not at the reception and press
speculated it was because they did not attend the 1969 ceremony;
but in the case of some terror attack striking an event where the
Queen,the Prince of Wales,and his sons were all present having the
next adult in line elsewhere would be prudent...

Herewith the latest iteration of the reference file...the reference
date is getting close to Attlee's second birthday and moving back
before 1885.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 14th 1885.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the second year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 70),
the future George V was over 4 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother yet the Duke of Clarence.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was over 3 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was two,and no later Prime Minister had yet been born
(nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.
(Charles Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
Post by Louis Epstein
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Louis Epstein
2019-04-05 01:27:36 UTC
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The midpoint of the current reign has moved into September 1985.

The reference date of the file has moved backward into 1884.
(Next revision will be posted after it has moved back before the
Royal Assent to the Representation of the People Act 1884).

This month the Queen will turn 93.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 16th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
6 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 70),
the future George V was over 5 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was not yet a year old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
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2019-04-06 19:20:59 UTC
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CORRECTIVE REPOST.

I had made an error on Attlee (born January 3rd 1883,
exactly nine years before J.R.R. Tolkien,unless the minority
sources that say he was born on the 2nd are correct).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 13th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 70),
the future George V was over 5 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 7 weeks short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was ten,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed the Representation of the People Act 1884(which would for the
first time enable most men to vote) and was pursuing passage of the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which established the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these had yet to actually come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-04-21 11:17:34 UTC
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The Queen turns 93 today.

Two days ago Prince Philip became the longest-lived of all
descendants of Queen Victoria.

The midpoint of the current reign has now moved within two days
of the first birthday of the Duke of Sussex,whose mother reached
her teens at the current end of the first third of the reign
(only about the last nine months of her life remain in the final
third).

The reference date in the ever-updated file below has now moved
back before the 10th birthday of Winston Churchill.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 70),
the future George V was over 6 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months short of a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed (but not yet received Royal Assent for) the Representation of
the People Act 1884(which would for the first time enable most men to
vote) and was pursuing passage of the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which would establish the norm of single-member constituencies) but
these had yet to actually come into effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
The Doctor
2019-04-21 13:26:56 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
The Queen turns 93 today.
Two days ago Prince Philip became the longest-lived of all
descendants of Queen Victoria.
The midpoint of the current reign has now moved within two days
of the first birthday of the Duke of Sussex,whose mother reached
her teens at the current end of the first third of the reign
(only about the last nine months of her life remain in the final
third).
The reference date in the ever-updated file below has now moved
back before the 10th birthday of Winston Churchill.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1884.
Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 70),
the future George V was over 6 months from 20(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was more than 2 months short of a year old.
Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had passed (but not yet received Royal Assent for) the Representation of
the People Act 1884(which would for the first time enable most men to
vote) and was pursuing passage of the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885
(which would establish the norm of single-member constituencies) but
these had yet to actually come into effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-three years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother less than a year and a half before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Long live the Queen!
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Louis Epstein
2019-05-22 01:10:40 UTC
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The Queen is now a month past 93 and the Duke of Cambridge only a month from
37.

The midpoint of the current reign is in late September 1985 and the
two-thirds point in mid-December 1996.

The reference file is getting close to including a peeress born in 1790.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 66,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
12 days under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 70),
the future George V was under 5 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
only a month from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote) and the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) was alive and had succeeded
his elder brother barely a year before(the present
peer is the great-great-great-grandson of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) was still alive,a Lord-Lieutenant
since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-06-10 19:06:07 UTC
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Prince Philip turns 98 today.

The Queen is aged 93 years,50 days and thus their still-rising average
age is about 95 years 7 months...a span that would take the Prince
of Wales to June 2044,the Prince Royal to March 2046,the Duke of York
to September 2055,the Earl of Wessex to October 2059,the Duke of
Cambridge to January 2078,the Duke of Sussex to April 2080,and
Prince George to January 2109.

Time will tell who lasts more or less.

The Prince of Wales is closing in on matching the lifespan of George V
and the current reign is only months shorter than the entire life of
George IV.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 7th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
a month under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 70),
the future George V was under 5 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 2 weeks from 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was barely eight months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote) and the
Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish the norm of
single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-06-21 16:30:52 UTC
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HRH Prince William,Duke of Cambridge,turns 37 today.
He is the oldest ever son (or child) of a Prince of Wales though not
the oldest ever grandson (or grandchild) of a British Sovereign (that
record is currently held by Kaiser Wilhelm II,who turned 42 five days
after the death of Queen Victoria,but stands to fall to Peter Phillips
on the 101st anniversary of the Kaiser's defeat in World War I,as he
turns 42 four days after that).

The file text has now caught up with the fact that we have moved back
before the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 had been framed.
(The current reign constitutes over two-thirds of the time that
women in the United Kingdom have been allowed to vote for Parliament).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
6 weeks under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 71),
the future George V was under 4 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under eight months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-07-22 19:39:15 UTC
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Prince George turns six today,
the only child of a son of a Prince of Wales
ever to do so since Edward VIII in June 1900.
(Queen Victoria died in January 1901 so Prince George
can break the oldest-third-direct-heir record in February).

The Prince of Wales has now lived longer than George V.

The midpoint of the current reign has reached the closing days of
October 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 28th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
2 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 71),
the future George V was under 3 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under seven months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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Louis Epstein
2019-08-09 01:48:37 UTC
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The reign of Elizabeth II has now surpassed sixty-seven and a half years,
thus the majority of the last hundred and thirty-five years.
Its midpoint is now in November 1985.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 9th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 3 months past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
3 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 71),
the future George V was under 3 months past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 weeks past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under seven months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than a year before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.


-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-09-04 01:59:33 UTC
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With today's rumblings the Queen may be ready to outlast yet another
parliament,and the Fixed-Term Parliaments Act would thus no longer
make the years of her Platinum and Golden-Diamond Jubilees election years.

If Mr. Speaker Bercow stands for reelection,
the current Father of the House Ken Clarke maintains his choice not to,
and prospective Father Dennis Skinner maintains his refusal to fill the role,
can Bercow's reelection thereby be forestalled?

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on July 15th 1884.

Queen Victoria,under 8 weeks past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
3 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 71),
the future George V was only 6 weeks past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 2 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under six months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than nine months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 98-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-09-26 21:36:40 UTC
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This Parliament shambles on,refusing to let itself be dissolved or prorogued.

The midpoint of the present reign has entered December 1985.

The Duke of Sussex recently turned 35...his brother was the first son of
a Prince of Wales to turn 36 (and both George V's brothers were dead before
he turned 27).

This update of the reference file,timed for the engagement of Princess
Beatrice,moves the reference date back to ten years before the birth of
Edward VIII.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 23rd 1884.

Queen Victoria,under a month past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
4 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is only 7 weeks from 71),
the future George V was under 3 weeks past 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under five months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than nine months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than two-thirds of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-19 22:20:05 UTC
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Another State Opening is history and it's generally perceived as the last of
this Parliament,but the Queen soldiers on.The Duke of Edinburgh is less than
twenty months from completing his 100th year.

The reference date has now moved back before the 19th birthday of George V,
as the Prince of Wales gets ever closer to age 71 (which George V never
reached,and at which William IV died).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 31st 1884.

Queen Victoria,only a week past 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
5 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 weeks from 71),
the future George V was 3 days from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under four months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than eight months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-10-25 21:05:42 UTC
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A somewhat premature revision passing the midpoint of the Queen's 94th
year (as the reference file moves back before Queen Victoria's 65th birthday)
to note a couple of records that came to mind:

not only is the Queen the longest-reigning British monarch
and the Prince of Wales the longest-serving British heir apparent,
but the Duke of Cambridge has spent the longest time as second in line,
and the Duke of Sussex,from his birth to that of Prince George,spent
the longest-ever time as third in line.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 23rd 1884.

Queen Victoria,a day from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was more than
5 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 71),
the future George V was 11 days from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under four months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than seven months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-11-14 17:48:05 UTC
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An update for the 71st birthday of the Prince of Wales
(which HRH chose to observe in Bombay).

The midpoint of the present reign has reached Christmas 1985.
Lord Bramall,who died this week,was the last surviving holder
of five-star rank as of that time other than the Duke of Edinburgh
(who is nearing the midpoint of his 99th year).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 weeks from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
more than 6 months under 43 (the current Prince of Wales is now 71),
the future George V was more than a month from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 4 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under three months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than seven months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2019-12-15 19:58:29 UTC
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The 18th general election of the present reign is history,
and the 2010s decade draws to a close with the reign that
included all of the 1960s,1970s,1980s,1990s,and 2000s decades
still continuing...
Peter Phillips has become the first 42-year-old grandchild of
a living British monarch,though his daughter,about to turn nine,
is far off the age that Queen Victoria lived to see her eldest
great-grandchild reach.(Prince George however is about two
months from the record for oldest child of a son of a Prince
of Wales).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on April 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,more than 7 weeks from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 5 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over a month past 71),
the future George V was over 2 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 5 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under two months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than six months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-01-01 21:51:15 UTC
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An update for the New Year 2020.

The midpoint of the current reign has moved past the middle of January 1986.
At 36 days short of 68 years it is now longer than the entire life of George IV
(who died 47 days before he would have turned 68).The Queen has the oldest child,
oldest daughter,and oldest grandchild of any living British Sovereign ever.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 15th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 5 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 weeks past 71),
the future George V was over 2 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 37--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was under 6 weeks old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than five months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Edward Cholmely Dering had held his baronetcy since 1811.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-07 01:36:11 UTC
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The Queen has now completed 68 years on the throne,
and her reign thus divides evenly into four 17-year
segments (1952-69,1969-86,1986-2003,and 2003-20).
Another year,and it will divide evenly into three
23-year segments,but this is the year that the
two-thirds point passes the death date of the late
Princess of Wales.

This marks the Diocese of Southwell's final appearance
as extant in the reference file.
Note also a new senior baronet.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 71),
the future George V was over 3 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield (now
abolished).That of Southwell was only 3 days old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was not yet two years old,and no later Prime Minister had yet been
born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-11 20:36:26 UTC
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Another short-interval revision to
mark the fact that I have now been posting this file
for over ten years.

When I began the reference date had barely moved back before
the birth of Harold Macmillan as the Queen had reigned just
over 58 years...now that the 68th anniversary of her accession
has passed the period for most of which she has reigned has
grown by twenty years,and Churchill's age at the reference
age has gone from nineteen to nine,Attlee's from eleven to one.

The contrasted royal grandsons have moved from a married
George V and a 27-year-old unmarried William to a teenage
George V and William having three children.

I hope the reign goes a good while yet.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 2nd 1884.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 71),
the future George V was over 4 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was less than a month past a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-02-23 01:07:09 UTC
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This revision is to note that Prince George has now surpassed
the age of the future Edward VIII at the death of Queen Victoria,
so the Sovereign and all three direct heirs apparent hold the
record for age of someone in their respective positions.
The Queen is within 2 months of 94,Queen Victoria died over 4 months
short of 82.
Edward VII acceded less than 3 months after turning 59,
Prince Charles remains Prince of Wales over 3 months after turning 71.
George V became Duke of Cornwall 132 days before turning 36,
Prince William still awaits that distinction 150 days from age 38.
And Edward VIII stopped being grandson of a Prince of Wales
before seven months had elapsed since his 6th birthday,
while George of Cambridge maintains that status at that age.

Princess Charlotte holds the record for oldest daughter of a son
of a Prince of Wales,while the son of the Duke of Sussex (the only
ever child of a younger son of a Prince of Wales) is shortly to
take the record for oldest third-oldest grandson of a Prince of
Wales.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 24th 1884.

Queen Victoria,4 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was less
than 3 months past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 71),
the future George V was over 4 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over seven years to live) yet 21.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was under 4 weeks past a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was pursuing passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-four years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
less than four months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-03-15 19:44:37 UTC
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A revision to mark the fact that the reference
date has moved backward into 1883.

At ANY time in 1884,it was closer to the accession
of the present Queen of the UK than we are now.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 31st 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the third year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
8 weeks past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 71),
the future George V was over 5 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was nine,
Attlee was 3 days less than a year old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was about to seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for nearly thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under three months before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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Louis Epstein
2020-04-21 16:28:46 UTC
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A revision for the Queen's 94th birthday.

To reach that age George III would have had to live to 1832,
George IV to 1856,
William IV to 1859,
Victoria to 1913,
Edward VII to 1935,
George V to 1959,
Edward VIII to 1988,
George VI to 1989.

If they match it the Prince of Wales will live to 2042,
the Duke of Cambridge to 2076,
Prince George to 2107.

Of course,Prince Philip is less than two months from 99.

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 26th 1883.

Queen Victoria,nearly 6 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 71),
the future George V was over 6 months from 19(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 11 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
was about to seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for nearly thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under 6 weeks before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the septuagenarian present peer and of his predecessor) were among
the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799),great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer,the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-05-15 17:05:30 UTC
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A revision after a number of birthdays and reflecting some
changes as the reference date moves ever backward...now into
the life of a peer who inherited his title in 1815.

The current Earl Grey has now turned 80 (his elder brother held
the title when I first started posting this file) and the reference
date has moved almost 11 years before the death of his great-great-
grandfather's elder brother.

Princess Charlotte has turned 5...already the oldest daughter of
a son of a Prince of Wales,she is weeks from passing George VI as
oldest second child of a son of a Prince of Wales,though years from
being eldest-ever granddaughter,or second child of a child,of a Prince of Wales.
(At Victoria's death,George V's sister had daughters aged 9 and 7).

Zara Phillips turns 39 today...not yet eldest granddaughter of a Sovereign.

The Duke of Sussex is now older than George V was at the death of Victoria,
making him the oldest third-oldest grandson of a Sovereign and second-oldest
(behind his brother) son of a Prince of Wales.(At Victoria's death,Kaiser
Wilhelm II and his next brother were both older than the Duke of Cambridge,
and their sister Charlotte a year and a half older than Zara Phillips;
all three were younger than Peter Phillips).

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Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 31st 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 65,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was
9 days from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 71),
the future George V was under 5 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 10 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 4th Marquess of Donegall (born 1799) had succeeded his elder brother
under 2 weeks before(the present peer is the great-great-great-grandson
of his first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-06-10 16:51:58 UTC
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A revision for the 99th birthday of the Duke of Edinburgh...
matching this age would take the Prince of Wales to 2047,
the Duke of Cambridge to 2081,
and Prince George to 2112.

Princess Charlotte now overtakes George VI as the oldest-ever
second-oldest child of a son of a Prince of Wales.(She's already
the oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales,but still
only the third-oldest granddaughter of a Prince of Wales).

The reference file below has now moved back before the final
occasion on which someone born in the 1700s succeeded to a
peerage.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on October 8th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
a month from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is over 6 months past 71),
the future George V was under 5 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 weeks from 38--George V was Prince of Wales at his age),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under 10 months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-06-21 19:22:27 UTC
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An incremental update to mark the 38th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.
He extends his record as oldest-ever son of a Prince of Wales.

At his age George VI was under three years,
Edward VIII under three and a half years,
George V under seven years from accession to the throne;
George V became Duke of Cornwall at 35 and Prince of Wales at 36
and those were record ages.

The midpoint of the current reign has almost reached the Queen's
60th birthday,since which British diplomats and civil servants
younger than HM have faced mandatory retirement on grounds of age.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 72),
the future George V was under 4 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under nine months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-07-22 18:05:58 UTC
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An update to mark the seventh birthday of Prince George,
shortly after the Queen completed 25,000 days on the throne
(thus the reference date below has now moved that far before
February 6th 1952) and the midpoint of her reign moved past
her 60th birthday (so for MOST of HM's reign her diplomats
and civil servants YOUNGER than she have been getting retired
on account of old age).

I actually remember reading an early-1980s poll where supposedly
most Britons thought it would be a good idea for the Queen to
abdicate at 60...

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 27th 1883.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 72),
the future George V was under 3 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under eight months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-08-16 01:55:46 UTC
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An update for the 70th birthday of the Princess Royal,
second septuagenarian among the Queen's children.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 1st 1883.

Queen Victoria,less than 3 months past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
3 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 months from 72),
the future George V was under 2 months past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 7 weeks past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than a year and a half old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under seven months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
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at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-09-21 15:45:13 UTC
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For this update I note that the Prince of Wales,
long poised to surpass William IV's record age at accession,
has now surpassed the age at which that King died...only
George II,George III,and Victoria were alive and reigning
at the present Heir Apparent's age,with Edward VIII alive
but decades abdicated and George III nearing the Regency.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 28th 1883.

Queen Victoria,just 5 weeks past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
4 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 8 weeks from 72),
the future George V was under 4 weeks past 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 3 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was less than fourteen months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under six months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,second cousin of the
great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),and the 4th
(and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-15 01:31:15 UTC
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The reference date now passes back before George V's 18th birthday,
as the present Prince of Wales comes within a month of 72...future
Archbishop Davidson's designation as Dean of Windsor (having been
priest-secretary to the Archbishop of Canterbury) was barely before
the reference date (it was mentioned in the NY Times on May 27th,
apparently).

Even fifty-one and a half years after accession,the Queen was still
closer to the midpoint of her reign than to the end of it.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on June 2nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,only 9 days past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is only a month from 72),
the future George V was a day from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 3 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under thirteen months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
would soon seek passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over 9 years to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 99-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-21 21:35:29 UTC
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An update for the Queen's half-birthday (HM is now six months past 94)
after a rather brief interval because some updates were missed...the
reference file should have previously reflected the 100th birthday of
Lord Saye and Sele last month,and the reference date moving back within
the lifetime of an Earl born in 1792 some months ago.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 27th 1883.

Queen Victoria,only 3 days past 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 weeks from 72),
the future George V was a week from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishops of Canterbury who would crown these Kings were
Bishop of Exeter and Dean of Windsor respectively.The oldest
British royal was George III's daughter-in-law the Duchess of Cambridge
(Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,
Guildford,Portsmouth,St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark
did not yet exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was days over a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) and Sir Patrick Grant(born 1804)
were Field Marshals,while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799) and the 3rd
Earl of Lucan(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-10-29 01:04:07 UTC
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Another earlier-than-normal update because I discovered I had missed some
of the CoE dioceses whose history is now mostly in the current reign and
had missed the revision relating to Sir Patrick Grant (first promoted
of the 1804-born Field Marshals,he was elevated in June 1883 and I had
had March stuck in my head).I drop reference to Davidson as I do not
think that he had yet become Dean of Windsor as of the reference date.

The midpoint of the current reign has moved a week past Prince Philip's
65th birthday and the one-third point has entered 1975.


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 22nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,2 days from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
5 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is under 3 weeks from 72),
the future George V was 12 days from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was a day under a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under five months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-11-14 15:49:02 UTC
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A revision for the 72nd birthday of the Prince of Wales,
as Parliament has started announcing plans for the 2022
jubilee of 70 years of the Queen's reign...


-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on May 3rd 1883.

Queen Victoria,3 weeks from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 months from 42 (the current Prince of Wales is now 72),
the future George V was a month from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is over
4 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under a year old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was four months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) but these would only come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2020-12-21 16:16:17 UTC
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A revision for the half-birthday of the Duke of Cambridge
(now six months past 38).The Duke of Edinburgh is now more
than six months past 99 (so less than six months from 100).

The start of October 2003 is now closer to the middle of
the present reign than it is to the present day.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 29th 1883.

Queen Victoria,8 weeks from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
5 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 weeks past 72),
the future George V was over 2 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
now 6 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under 11 months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under three months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux(born 1795,great-
great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),the 16th Baron
Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of the 100-year-old
present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than three-fourths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-01-16 07:29:28 UTC
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Time I added a revision this year as we are in the last month
of the 69th year of the Queen's reign...this version adds an
omitted baron of note.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on March 5th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 2 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is now 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 2 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
over 6 months past 38--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under ten months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under three months old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-02-06 19:07:22 UTC
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In 1995 I made a post observing the 69th birthday of Queen
Elizabeth II,and the republican fussbudget Mike Dickson of
Black Cat Software replied "I sincerely hope she never sees 70."

He has now been so thoroughly frustrated that Her Majesty has
reached 69 years of reign,with plans made for her celebrating
reaching 70.

I began the "Consider This..." series in 2010 as the completion
of 58 years of the Queen's reign meant she had reigned for
most of the time since the birth of Macmillan(February 10th 1894).
Now,as the reference date ever recedes,Attlee is nearing being
chased back into the womb,and Lloyd George is weeks from joining
the teenagers.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 8th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
4 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 3 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was barely nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was barely five weeks old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
Louis Epstein
2021-02-11 23:46:16 UTC
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An ahead-of-norm update because I found I had failed to make
some appropriate updates...the reference date had at last post
actually passed within three months of Edward VII's birthday
(born November 9th 1841) and was no longer more than nine
months past the establishment of the Diocese of Newcastle
(late May 1882).

The Queen's great-grandchildren now outnumber her grandchildren,
a milestone Queen Victoria (who had far more of each) did not
live to see and which depends on families' childbearing choices
(the current LDS Church President is under a year and a half
older than the Queen,but has 57 grandchildren and 140 great-
grandchildren and his first great-great-grandchild (Queen Victoria
would not have had to reach 86 to see hers,while the current Queen's
eldest great-grandchild is not far past her 10th birthday so a
future generation would likely need Her Majesty to live past 105)).

Only two of Queen Victoria's great-grandchildren had been born
as of the current reference date and as many of Victoria's
grandchildren as the current Queen has (8) had not been born
yet,such as Princess Alice,Countess of Athlone (February
25th 1883-January 3rd 1981).
-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on February 2nd 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 3 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 2 months past 72),
the future George V was over 4 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 5 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over eight and a half years to live) yet 20.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under nine months old.

Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill was eight
years old,Attlee was under a month old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-03-13 02:08:00 UTC
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Clement Attlee's final appearance in the reference file as having
been alive already,and Lloyd George's first among the teenagers.

The Queen has now reigned for longer than the time from the 19th
birthday of the late Duke of Clarence and Avondale to the date
of her accession...and December 2003 began closer to the midpoint
of her reign than to the present.

-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on January 7th 1883.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
2 months past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 3 months past 72),
the future George V was over 4 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under eight months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,Attlee was four days old,and no later Prime Minister
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-03-18 23:30:10 UTC
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The first revision with the reference date moved back into 1882.

Probably the last before it moves back before HMS Camperdown
was laid down.

Seventy years from 1882 to 1952 of course will be matched next year
when the reference date moves back to February 6th 1882 on February
6th 2022.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 30th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 4 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
8 weeks past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 72),
the future George V was over 5 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 4 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under eight months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-five years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had HMS Victoria,which would sink in an
1893 collision with the ironclad HMS Camperdown(at this point not yet
launched).Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806)
had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,and had been an MP
from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-04-09 13:07:03 UTC
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I had expected not to repost before the Queen turns 95 on April 21st
but must of course repost to mark the death of the Duke of Edinburgh
(at an age Her Majesty would match in February 2026 after 74 years
on the Throne,and Prince George would match in May 2113).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on December 9th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was only
a month past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 4 months past 72),
the future George V was over 5 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 3 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under seven months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was eight years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-04-21 19:24:24 UTC
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The customary Queen's Birthday revision as Her Majesty turns 95.
The Prince of Wales would reach this age in November 2043,
the Duke of Cambridge in June 2077,
and Prince George in July 2108.

Longtime MP Dame Cheryl Gillan,who died earlier this month
and was born on the Queen's first birthday as Queen,would have
been 69 today...my first Queen's Birthday post to a newsgroup,
before this file was created,was for Her Majesty's 69th,and I
rejoice that Mike Dickson,who replied "I sincerely hope she
never turns 70",remains frustrated.

The midpoint of the present reign has now reached the end of 2003.

The reference date has moved back past Winston Churchill's 8th
birthday.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 28th 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 5 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fourth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was under
3 weeks past 41 (the current Prince of Wales is over 5 months past 72),
the future George V was over 6 months from 18(the Duke of Cambridge is
only 2 months from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under seven months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor) and
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his predecessor)
were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-05-15 07:19:53 UTC
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A revision correcting an omitted update
(since the reference date moved back into 1882
the Golden Jubilee has been in the FIFTH,not
fourth,year following) and an overstatement
(the midpoint of the current reign has of course
NOT reached the end of 2003,it is still in late
September 1986...it has now become the case that
even much of January 2004 was CLOSER TO the midpoint
than to the present,but that is a far cry from the
midpoint itself moving that far.

Making his debut in this posting is an earl who was
an MP during the Regency and in government in the
reign of George IV...the Queen has now been the
Queen for most of the time since his death.

-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on November 3rd 1882.

Queen Victoria,over 6 months from 64,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was 6
days from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is now 6 months past 72),
the future George V was only 5 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
under 6 weeks from 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under six months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-06-22 01:16:48 UTC
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A revision for the 39th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.

The oldest-ever Prince of Wales has the two oldest-ever sons
of a Prince of Wales,and the oldest-ever grandson of a Prince
of Wales,and oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales
(though the daughters of Edward VII's daughter currently retain
the records for oldest grandchild (Alexandra) and oldest granddaughters
(Alexandra first and Maud second) of a Prince of Wales).

The Queen is now two months past 95,a milestone the Prince of Wales
would not reach until January 2044.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 73),
the future George V was under 4 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under five months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-06-26 20:02:43 UTC
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Post by Louis Epstein
A revision for the 39th birthday of the Duke of Cambridge.
The oldest-ever Prince of Wales has the two oldest-ever sons
of a Prince of Wales,and the oldest-ever grandson of a Prince
of Wales,and oldest-ever daughter of a son of a Prince of Wales
(and,I forgot to clarify,oldest-ever child and second child of a
son of a Prince of Wales)
Post by Louis Epstein
(though the daughters of Edward VII's daughter currently retain
the records for oldest grandchild (Alexandra) and oldest granddaughters
(Alexandra first and Maud second) of a Prince of Wales).
The Queen is now two months past 95,a milestone the Prince of Wales
would not reach until January 2044.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on September 26th 1882.
Queen Victoria,under 5 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
6 weeks from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 5 months from 73),
the future George V was under 4 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge
is now 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.
The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under five months old.
Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.
William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.
Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.
Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.
The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.
The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.
Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.
Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.
Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.
And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.
-=-=-
The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
Louis Epstein
2021-07-22 22:45:15 UTC
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A revision for the 8th birthday of Prince George of Cambridge,
who extends his record as oldest-ever third-direct-heir.
The reference date moves back into August 1882.

At age 8 the current Prince of Wales had already been Duke of Cornwall
for most of his life,while Edward VIII was halfway from birth to his
own designation as Prince of Wales (which was on his 16th birthday).

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Consider,if you would,the United Kingdom and Empire
as they were on August 29th 1882.

Queen Victoria,under 4 months past 63,was on the throne;
her Golden Jubilee would be in the fifth year following,her
Diamond Jubilee ten years after that.The future Edward VII was over
2 months from 41 (the current Prince of Wales is under 4 months from 73),
the future George V was under 3 months past 17(the Duke of Cambridge is
over a month past 39--George V was made Prince of Wales at 36 when
all his children were younger than Prince George is now),not yet
Duke of York,and not yet heir apparent to his father;nor was his elder
brother (who had over nine years to live) yet 19.
The future Archbishop of Canterbury who would crown King Edward was
Bishop of Exeter.The oldest British royal was George III's daughter-in-law
the Duchess of Cambridge (Augusta of Hesse-Cassel),born 1797 and with
over six years to live.

The Church of England dioceses of Birmingham,Blackburn,Bristol,
Coventry,Chelmsford,Derby,Guildford,Leicester,Portsmouth,
St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich,Sheffield,and Southwark did not yet
exist...nor did those of Bradford and Wakefield,now abolished,
or that of Southwell,from which Derby would one day be severed.That of
Newcastle was under four months old.

Lloyd George,Macdonald,Baldwin,and Chamberlain were teenagers,Churchill
was seven years old,and no later Prime Minister(including Attlee)
had yet been born (nor had any person in the world alive after 1999).
Keir Hardie,who years later would found the original Scottish
Labour Party,then the Independent Labour Party,and then the Labour
Party proper,was still in his twenties and had never been an MP.

William Gladstone (born 1809) was the only living person who had been
Prime Minister (years younger than his predecessors).His government
had not yet sought passage of the Representation of the People Act 1884
(which would for the first time enable most men to vote),which would
be followed by the Redistribution of Seats Act 1885 (which would establish
the norm of single-member constituencies) which would first come into
effect with the following election.
Women would not vote in a General Election for over thirty-six years.
Christopher Rice Mansel Talbot(born 1803),Father of the House of Commons,
had been a member since 1830...before any of the Reform Bills.(Charles
James Mahon,born 1800,had been a member discontinuously since then).
Lord Coleridge (born 1820) was Lord Chief Justice,and had been
the last Chief Justice of the Common Pleas (a position abolished
by the Judicature Act of 1873).The 1st Lord Esher(born 1815 or 1817,
sources disagree,and not yet a peer) was Master of the Rolls.

Many of the Colonies had yet to be colonized,Hong Kong was over a
decade from adding the New Territories.

Battleships that would be scrapped as obsolete years before World War I
had yet to be laid down,nor had either HMS Victoria,which would sink in
an 1893 collision,or the ironclad HMS Camperdown(which would sink it).
Ships built with sailing rigs were still in the active fleet,
some with wooden hulls were still performing reserve and training functions,
and it was years before HMS Temeraire would make port under sail alone
for the final time.

The Admirals of the Fleet included Sir George Sartorius(born
1790,a commander in 1812 and post-captain in 1814),and
Sir Provo Wallis (born 1791,a lieutenant 1808,and commander 1813);
Sartorius had been a midshipman on HMS Tonnant at Trafalgar in 1805
nearly 9 years before Francis Scott Key's visit to that ship led to
"The Star-Spangled Banner" being written,witnessed the surrender of
Napoleon,commanded a fleet in the Portugese Civil War of the 1830s,
and risen through the admiral ranks starting in 1849;Wallis had
taken temporary command of HMS Shannon when it captured USS
Chesapeake in 1813.
The 1st Baron Strathnairn(born 1801) was a Field Marshal,
while Sir Richard Dacres(born 1799),the 3rd Earl of Lucan
(born 1800,a lieutenant colonel 1826),who had ordered the
Charge of the Light Brigade,and three men born in 1804
had yet to receive promotion to that rank.

The eldest Dukes included the 6th of Northumberland(b. 1810,
great-great-great-grandfather of the 11th and the current 12th Duke)
the 2nd of Wellington(b. 1807,elder brother of the great-great-grandfather
of the present 9th Duke born 1945,an MP 1829 and army major 1830),
the 7th of Devonshire(b. 1808,great-great-great-grandfather of the
present 12th duke born 1944,he had first become an MP in 1829 and
a peer in 1834),the 5th of Buccleuch/7th of Queensberry(b. 1806,
succeeded in 1819,a Knight of the Garter since 1835,great-great-great-
grandfather of the present 12th Duke),the 12th of Somerset(b. 1804,
second cousin of the great-great-great-grandfather of the current 19th Duke),
and the 4th (and last) of Cleveland (born 1803).
The 1st Duke of Abercorn,so created in 1868,had succeeded to the
Marquessate thereof in 1818 and been a Knight of the Garter since 1844.
The 3rd Marquess of Donegall (born 1797) was alive and would be
succeeded by a younger brother born in 1799(the present peer is the
great-great-great-grandson of their first cousin).
The 7th Earl of Shaftesbury(born 1801,an MP from 1826,great-
great-great-grandfather of the present peer and his predecessor),the
3rd Earl Grey (born 1802,also an MP from 1826,elder brother of the
great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer and of his
predecessor),and the 2nd Earl of Harrowby(born 1798,an MP from 1819,
a Lord of the Admiralty in 1827,great-great-great-grandfather of the
septuagenarian present Earl) were among the Knights of the Garter.
The 1st Earl of Lovelace (born 1805) had over a decade to live,and
had been a Lord-Lieutenant since 1840.
The 3rd and 4th Earl of Mansfield and Mansfield(born 1806 and with
over 15 years to live) had been a Knight of the Thistle since 1843,
and had been an MP from 1830 to 1840,with a spell in Government 1834-5.
The 4th Earl of Arran(born 1801) had been a Knight of
St. Patrick since 1841 and been charge d'affaires in
Buenos Aires 1832-4.
Also among the Earls were the 6th Earl of Essex(born 1803),
and the 6th of Albemarle,born 1799,a veteran of the Battle of Waterloo.
The eldest of Earls were the 2nd Earl Mount Cashell,
born 1792,the 6th Earl of Buckinghamshire,
born 1793,and the 2nd of Stradbroke,born 1794,
commissioned in the Army in 1810,a Lieutenant 1814,
who missed Waterloo on account of a wound.
The Earl of Sandwich had held his title since 1818.
The 9th Viscount of Arbuthnott(born 1806) was alive,the
current peer is the 17th.
The 1st Viscount Portman (born 1799,first elected MP in 1823) was
alive,the present peer is the 10th.
The oldest Viscount,however,was the 1st and last of Eversley,born in 1794
and Speaker of the House of Commons 1839-57.
The senior Viscount was the 2nd Frankfort de Montmorency,
who had inherited his title in 1822.
Barons included the 3rd Baron Gardner,who had inherited that title
in 1815,the 2nd Baron Mostyn(born 1795,great-great-great-great-
grandfather of the present peer),the 2nd Baron Brougham and Vaux
(born 1795,great-great-grandfather of the octogenarian present peer),
the 16th Baron Saye and Sele(born 1799,great-great-grandfather of
the 100-year-old present peer),the 1st Baron Cottesloe (born
1798,great-great-great-grandfather of the present peer),
and the 1st Lord Ebury,born 1801 and a Privy Counsellor since 1830;
the oldest peerage holder was Lady Sempill,born 1790 or possibly 1789.
The Lord Bishop of Chichester was Richard Durnford,born 1802.
Sir Moses Montefiore,born 1784,was the oldest baronet.
Sir Thomas Sabine Pasley had held his baronetcy since 1808.

Cardinal Manning (born 1808) was Catholic Archbishop of Westminster,
but Cardinal Newman(born 1801) was the oldest British cardinal.

Abroad Alexander III had most of his reign as Emperor and
Tsar-Autocrat of all the Russias ahead of him and Leo XIII
(born 1810) had most of his time as Pope ahead of him
(in each case more than four-fifths of their reign).
Slavery was still legal in Brazil and would be for years.
Wilhelm I,grandfather of the World War I Kaiser,born in 1797,
still ruled Germany.

Consider all the changes,natural and manmade,visited upon the world
in all the time since.

And now consider this...Queen Elizabeth II has been on the Throne
for MOST of that time since then.

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The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.

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