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CONSCIOUSNESS three to four thousand years ago when the western whites
were still sucking each other genitals and living like BARBARIANS.


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Concepts of Space, Time, and Consciousness in Ancient India- I

Part 1 of a 2-part article describing Indian ideas of the early-
Purana/Mahabharata times (centuries BC) on the nature of space, time and
consciousness

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Subhash Kak

Indology | 09-10-2017

Introduction

Ancient Indian ideas of physics, available to us through a variety of
sources, are generally not known in the physics world. Indian
astronomer/physicists, starting with a position that sought to unify
space, time, matter, and consciousness, argued for relativity of space
and time, cyclic and recursively defined universes, and a
non-anthropocentric view. The two most astonishing numerical claims from
the ancient Indians are: a cyclic system of creation of the universe
with a period of 8.64 billion years, although there exist longer cycles
as well; and, speed of light to be 4,404 yojanas per nimes.a, which is
almost exactly 186,000 miles per second (Kak, 1998a)!

A critic would see the numbers as no more than idle coincidences. But
within the Indian tradition it is believed that reality, as a kind of a
universal state function, transcends the separate categories of space,
time, matter, and
observation. In this function, called Brahman in the literature, inhere
all categories including knowledge. The conditioned mind can, by
“tuning” in to Brahman, obtain knowledge, although it can only be
expressed in terms
of the associations already experienced by the mind. Within the Indian
tradition, scientific knowledge describes as much aspects of outer
reality as the topography of the mindscape. Furthermore, there are
connections between
the outer and the inner: we can comprehend reality only because we are
already equipped to do so! My own papers listed in the bibliography can
serve as an introduction to these ideas and point to further references
for the reader to examine.

Two philosophical systems at the basis of Indian physics—and
metaphysics—are Samkhya and Vaisesika. Samkhya, which is an ancient
system that goes back to the 3rd millennium BC, posits 25 basic
categories together with 3 constituent qualities, which evolve in
different ways to create the universe at the microcosmic as well as the
macrocosmic levels. It also presupposes a “potential” (tanmatra) to be
more basic than the material entity. Vaisesika is a later system which
is an atomic theory with the non-atomic ground of ether, space, and time
upon which rest four different classes of indestructible atoms which
combine in a variety of ways to constitute all matter; it also considers
mind to be atomic (Kak, 1999). These systems presuppose genesis and
evolution both at the cosmic and psychological levels. They also accept
cyclic and multiple universes, and centrality of observers.

Unfortunately, historians of science are generally oblivious of Indian
physics, astronomy or cosmology. Amongst popular books, Paul Halpern’s
The Cyclical Serpent (1995) is unusual in that it places modern
speculations regarding an oscillating universe within the context of the
cyclic cosmology of the Puranas, but even this book doesn’t define a
context for the Indian ideas.

In this paper we present, in a capsule form, the basic Indian ideas on
space, time, and observation from the age of the epics and the early
Puranas. The ideas of these period seem to belong to last centuries BC
and they are described in the Mahabharata, Puranas, and the early
Siddhantas. To keep our sources to a minimum, we mainly use
Yoga-Vasistha (YV), an ancient Indian text, over 29,000 verses long,
traditionally attributed to Valmiki, author of the epic Ramayana, which
is over two thousand years old.
Vedic and Puranic Cosmology

We first look at Vedic cosmology. The Vedas are texts that represent the
ancient knowledge tradition of India. While their compilations go back
to at least the third millennium, some of their contents might be even
older. The Vedic tradition is a part of the Indian culture tradition
that has been traced back, archaeologically, to about 8000 BC
(Feuerstein et al, 1995). The antiquity of the Vedic texts is, in part,
confirmed by their celebration of the Sarasvati river as the greatest
river of their age, and modern hydrological studies have established
that this river dried up around 2000 BC. The kinglists in the Puranas
take us to several millennia before the period of the drying up of the
Sarasvati. There is also a rock art tradition in India that has been
traced to about 40000 BC (Wakankar, 1992).

There are several statements in the Vedic texts about the universe being
infinite, while at the same time the finite distance to the sun is
explicitly mentioned (Kak, 1998a-d). Aditi, the great mother of the
gods, is a personification of the concept of infinity. A famous mantra
speaks of how taking infinity out of infinity leaves it unchanged. This
indicates that paradoxical properties of the notion of infinity were known.

In a reference to mapping the outer world into an altar made of bricks,
the Yajurveda (hymn 17) names numbers in multiples of ten that go upto
ten hundred thousand million. This also suggests a belief in a very
large universe.
The Satapatha Brahmana, a commentatorial prose text on the Veda, that
most likely goes back to the early centuries of the second millennium
BC, provides an overview of some broad aspects of Vedic cosmology. The
sixth chapter of the book, entitled “Creation of the Universe”, speaks
of the creation of the earth later than that of other stars. Creation is
seen to proceed under the aegis of the Prajapati (reference either to a
star or to abstract time) with the emergence of Asva, Rasabha, Aja and
Kurma before the emergence of the earth. Visvanatha Vidyalankara
suggests that these are the sun (Asva), Gemini (Rasabha), Aja
(Capricorn) and Kurma (Cassiopeia).

This identification is supported by etymological considerations. The
Rgveda 1.164.2 and Nirukta 4.4.27 define Asva as the sun. Rasabha which
literally means the twin asses are defined in Nighant.u 1.15 as A´svinau
which later usage suggests are Castor and Pollux in Gemini. In Western
astronomy the twin asses are to be found in the next constellation of
Cancer as Asellus Borealis and Asellus Australis. Aja (goat) is defined
by Nighantu 1.15 as a
sun and owing to the continuity that we see in the Vedic and later
European names for constellations (as in the case of the Great Bear) it
is reasonable to identify it as the constellation Capricorn (caper goat
+ cornu horn). Kurma is a synonym of Kasyapa (tortoise) which is like
Cassiopeia (from Greek Kassiopeia), and it is appropriate because it is
near the pole.

The Puranas view the universe to have a diameter of about 500 million
yojanas, but beyond the universe lies the limitless Pradhana, that has
within it countless other universes (Kak, 1998a)
The Yoga-Vasistha

The internal evidence of the Yoga-Vasistha (YV) indicates that it was
authored or compiled later than the Ramayana. Chapple (1984) summarizes
the views of various scholars who date it variously as early as the
sixth century AD or as late as the 13th or the 14th century. Dasgupta
(1975, 1932) dated it about the sixth century AD on the basis that one
of its verses appears to be copied from one of Kalidasa’s plays
considering Kalidasa to have lived around the fifth century. The
traditional date of Kalidasa is 50 BC and new arguments (Kak 1990)
support this earlier date so that the estimates regarding the age of YV
are further muddled and it is possible that this text could be 2000
years old.

YV may be viewed as a book of philosophy or as a philosophical novel. It
describes the instruction given by Vasistha to Rama, the hero of the
epic Ramayana. Its premise may be termed radical idealism and it is
couched in a fashion that has many parallels with the notion of a
participatory universe argued by Wheeler and others. Its most
interesting passages from the scientific point of view relate to the
description of the nature of space, time, matter, and consciousness. It
should be emphasized that the YV ideas do not stand in isolation.
Similar ideas are to be found in the earlier Vedic books. At its deepest
level the Vedic conception is to view reality in a monist manner; at the
next level one may speak of the dichotomy of mind and matter. Ideas
similar to those found in YV are also encountered in Puranas and Tantric
literature.

YV is a text that belongs to the mainstream of the ancient Vedic
tradition that professes to deal with knowledge. Astronomical references
in the Vedic texts take us back to the 4th or 5th millennium BC or even
earlier (e.g. Kak 1994-6).

Roughly speaking, the Vedic system speaks of an interconnectedness
between the observer and the observed. A similar conception appears to
have informed many ancient peoples including the Greeks.

The Vedic system of knowledge is based on a tripartite approach to the
universe where connections exist in triples in categories of one group
and across groups: sky, atmosphere, earth; object, medium, subject;
future, present, past; and so on. Beyond the triples lies the
transcendental “fourth”.

Three kinds of motion are alluded to in the Vedic books: these are the
translational motion, sound, and light which are taken to be
“equivalent” to earth, air, and sky. The fourth motion is assigned to
consciousness; and this is considered to be infinite in speed.

At least one of the founders of quantum theory was directly inspired by
the Vedic system of knowledge. Schr¨odinger (1961) claims that the Vedic
slogan “All in One and One in All” was an idea that led him to the
creation of quantum mechanics (see also Moore, 1989). Even before
Schrodinger, the idealist philosophical tradition in Europe had long
been moulded by Vedic ideas. It should also be noted that many parts of
the Vedic literature are still not properly understood although
considerable progress has recently taken place in the study of Vedic
science.

It is most interesting that the books in this Indian tradition speak
about the relativity of time and space in a variety of ways. The
medieval books call the Puranas speak of countless universes, time
flowing at different rates for different observers and so on.

Universes defined recursively are described in the famous episode of
Indra and the ants in Brahmavaivarta Purana 4.47.100-160, the
Mahabharata 12.187, and elsewhere. These flights of imagination are to
be traced to more than a straightforward generalization of the motions
of the planets into a cyclic universe. They must be viewed in the
background of an amazingly sophisticated tradition of cognitive and
analytical thought (see e.g. Staal 1988; Rao and Kak 1998).

To be Continued…

Adapted from a chapter in “The Wishing Tree.”
Anonymous
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some old
positive culture that it spreads obvious lies. hindus have yet to
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as its racist, misogynist, kiddie fiddling death cult of a false
religion is a worldwide joke.
Since Russia did the decent thing by banning the propagation of idol
worship, so will the the decent
civilized Human race. "Metaphysics" as quoted by your bull shit is
quackery.There is no proof of
hinduism orgins because it is a made up false faith as is india whose
entire food system imported
aka stolen from rael countries.
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Snip laughable lies. india is so desperate to be recognized as having
some old
positive culture that it spreads obvious lies. hindus have yet to
contribute anything positive,
as its racist, misogynist, kiddie fiddling death cult of a false
religion is a worldwide joke.
Since Russia did the decent thing by banning the propagation of idol
worship, so will the the decent
civilized Human race. "Metaphysics" as quoted by your bull shit is
quackery.There is no proof of
hinduism orgins because it is a made up false faith as is india whose
entire food system imported
aka stolen from rael countries.
India is run but a Fascist Hindu party called the BJP
that disregards freedom of Religion.
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On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:45:55 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
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some old
positive culture that it spreads obvious lies. hindus have yet to
contribute anything positive,
as its racist, misogynist, kiddie fiddling death cult of a false
religion is a worldwide joke.
Since Russia did the decent thing by banning the propagation of idol
worship, so will the the decent
civilized Human race. "Metaphysics" as quoted by your bull shit is
quackery.There is no proof of
hinduism orgins because it is a made up false faith as is india whose
entire food system imported
aka stolen from rael countries.
India is run but a Fascist Hindu party called the BJP
that disregards freedom of Religion.
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Anonymous
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Post by The Doctor
Post by Anonymous
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:45:55 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
Snip laughable lies. india is so desperate to be recognized as having
some old
positive culture that it spreads obvious lies. hindus have yet to
contribute anything positive,
as its racist, misogynist, kiddie fiddling death cult of a false
religion is a worldwide joke.
Since Russia did the decent thing by banning the propagation of idol
worship, so will the the decent
civilized Human race. "Metaphysics" as quoted by your bull shit is
quackery.There is no proof of
hinduism orgins because it is a made up false faith as is india whose
entire food system imported
aka stolen from rael countries.
India is run but a Fascist Hindu party called the BJP
that disregards freedom of Religion.
What anima shit / piss drinking loving false death cult in control of
india pre dates fascism.
so, by logical reasoning 9beyond an indian then) hindus are far worse
than fascism who copied
the race and religious from hindus. So we need to ban idol worship.
FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
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Post by Anonymous
On Tue, 5 Jan 2021 13:45:55 -0800, FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
Snip laughable lies. india is so desperate to be recognized as having
some old
positive culture that it spreads obvious lies. hindus have yet to
contribute anything positive,
as its racist, misogynist, kiddie fiddling death cult of a false
religion is a worldwide joke.
I sincerely hope american whites POST the following on "alt right, white
supremacist, republican, militia websites" SO the bible thumping "GUN
LOVING BUBBAS with M-16s and AR-15s" understand HOW their EVIL AMERICAN
GOVT CIA, NSA, DHS and FBI PSYCHOPATHS have been "SECRETLY CHIPPING
Americans for more than 30 years" with MIND CONTROL CHIPS and TORTURING
THEM with Directed Energy Weapons and also DESTROYING their
relationships, life and careers by REMOTELY PROGRAMMING THEM.



Somebody offered a BOUNTY for BEHEADING FBI, CIA and NSA AGENTS LIKE
FUCKING PIGS


MERCILESSLY BEHEAD FBI, CIA, MI-6 and NSA AGENTS LIKE FUCKING PIGS
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.sport.cricket/jOUH9jhYnkk/JzzgdUN-pkoJ



Even GODS will be SHOCKED at the "INFINITE DECEPTION and CUNNING" of
"White race".

WHITE CHRISTIANS "Deceiving Non-Whites" WITH SMALL POX INFESTED BLANKETS
http://youtu.be/EEHsR63F5Dw


“When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the
Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes
closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

― Jomo Kenyatta


MULTIPLY this DECEPTION by a FACTOR of a MILLION and you will understand
"what your EVIL GOVTS are doing behind your back".



EVIL American Govt CIA, NSA, FBI, DHS Psychopaths have been SECRETLY
CHIPPING Americans with MIND CONTROL CHIPS for more than 30 years as
explained in the following column by Psychologist Ms. Carol Smith and
Dr. Rauni Kilde (Chief Medical Officer in Finland)



Microchip Mind Control, Implants And Cybernetics - Dr. Rauni Kilde
https://rense.com/general17/imp.htm



On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of
Mind Invasive Technology
https://www.globalresearch.ca/on-the-need-for-new-criteria-of-diagnosis-of-psychosis-in-the-light-of-mind-invasive-technology/7123
Adrian Smith
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My Indian Hindu Ancestors were the most advanced civilization in human
history. They understood and wrote concepts of TIME, SPACE and
CONSCIOUSNESS
Aren't SPACE and TIME joined today? I mean, as a Advanced Civilization, you know perfectly well that time flows more slowly at sea level than it does on top of Mount Everest.
So why the comma? Shouldn't it be SPACE-TIME and CONSCIOUSNESS?

Space is aakaash, vyom or antareeksha and time is samay or kaal in sanskrit.

But there's no vyomkaal in the Vedas is there?

Seems to me Professor Kak has got it wrong and has misled you.
Post by FBInCIAnNSATerroristSlayer
three to four thousand years ago when the western whites
were still [Kama Sutra deleted]
I see that you've discovered Dark Matter and Energy.

http://www.decodinghinduism.com/2014/02/dark-matter-is-already-described-in.html

https://www.facebook.com/562392850572521/posts/shocking-secrets-about-dark-matter-in-vedas-dark-matter-dark-energy-the-magical-/1563399710471825/

Funny how that happened after Dark Matter was suggested by Western science.

So it's where ghosts live is it?

But what are you going to do if Dark Matter turns out to have been a mistake?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/maybe-dark-matter-doesnt-exist-152400150.html
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