Discussion:
It Is Becoming A Crime To Be White And English.
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Jon°
2006-07-14 11:27:05 UTC
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http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/

(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)

HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer


"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".

The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.

Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners

This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."

********End***************


So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.

This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.

We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)

Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
JA**
2006-07-14 13:01:48 UTC
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Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
********End***************
This is a yet another completely illegal political interference
with the rights and civil liberties of the British citizen,
who has a perfect right to belong to any political
|party they see fit.

Labour are a piece of scum. Actually that's an insult to scum. I can't
think of any words adequate to describe lefties.

A quarter of a million people a year are now leaving
the UK and taking their families to what are seen as
safer place, where there is some
prospect of their children not growing up in a police
state run by Labour, where your prospects
depend on you toeing the party line. Just as in the Soviet Union.

The total eradication of the scum who hide
behind the Nu Labour badge is essential to the
survival of Britain - and democracy in our country.
a***@white-eagle.invalid.uk
2006-07-14 19:35:40 UTC
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Post by JA**
Post by Jon°
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
This is a yet another completely illegal political interference
with the rights and civil liberties of the British citizen,
who has a perfect right to belong to any political
|party they see fit.
Labour are a piece of scum. Actually that's an insult to scum. I can't
think of any words adequate to describe lefties.
Yes... do not dignify them with the term 'lefties'... much as I disagree
with socialism, NuLab has nothing in common.
Post by JA**
A quarter of a million people a year are now leaving
the UK and taking their families to what are seen as
safer place, where there is some
Yep... I have lived outside the UK for many years past and then inside
the UK Gulag and now have no intentions to return.
Post by JA**
prospect of their children not growing up in a police
state run by Labour, where your prospects
depend on you toeing the party line. Just as in the Soviet Union.
True. NuLab has destoyed democracy... to stand for parliament invles
being registered... and then having to have a bank account... and if the
banks refuse...
Post by JA**
The total eradication of the scum who hide
behind the Nu Labour badge is essential to the
survival of Britain - and democracy in our country.
There is no democracy in the UK. Funnily enough the House of Lords
despite being seen as a bastion of privilege was a very democratic
institution until life peers, jews and the like were introduced.

Axel
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-14 13:22:37 UTC
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Oh Lawd, who will save Usenet from crap and trolls?

There may be an injustice here, but no-one would know it from the
rubbish you're foaming. Please put your lead back on and go back to the
stormfront kennel. Your post is poorly argued, full of non-sequiturs,
outright lies (anybody in the world who wishes to live on our social
security?). The title of your thread is misleading. An employment
tribunal is not a court, and so no crime is implied. You evidently know
nothing about common forms of racism. It may or may not have happened
in this case, but racism in speech or act is often not face-to-face.

Sooooo... it isn't becoming a crime to be white and English (unless
you're in the World Cup team), but maybe it should be a crime to talk
utter crap on Usenet.

You sound so mad that I was only half-inclined to post this, but I
flipped a coin...

O.
Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
********End***************
So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.
This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.
We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)
Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
Jon°
2006-07-14 13:47:56 UTC
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Posted:

"An employment
tribunal is not a court, and so no crime is implied."
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Above statement just shows how much you know and comprehend. Employment
Tribunals may not be "courts" but they are run under English law and have
the power to move against those that refuse to accept their judgements. They
also have the power to refer, those called before them, to a criminal court
if they think it is necessary. The head is always legally trained and quite
often a QC. If you are ever taken before one by an employee and do not pay
him that which the tribunal awards. You will soon find out the weight and
power they have.


Bigheads and idiots always spout on about things they know nothing of and
just love using pseudo-legal points ( "phoney allusions to non-sequiturs"
etc) to try and convince any readers (that they may have) that they are
articulate; when in fact they are ill educated twats. Would wager you went
to a tenth rate "Polly" type university and studied the mating dance of the
dung-beetle.

You sound so pompous and cretin like that I almost did not bother to reply
to your slovenly written piece but I decided to.


<***@mailinator.com> wrote in message
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2006-07-14 16:09:31 UTC
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Post by S***@mailinator.com
Oh Lawd, who will save Usenet from crap and trolls?
There may be an injustice here, but no-one would know it from the
rubbish you're foaming. Please put your lead back on and go back to the
stormfront kennel. Your post is poorly argued, full of non-sequiturs,
outright lies (anybody in the world who wishes to live on our social
security?). The title of your thread is misleading. An employment
tribunal is not a court, and so no crime is implied. You evidently know
nothing about common forms of racism. It may or may not have happened
in this case, but racism in speech or act is often not face-to-face.
Sooooo... it isn't becoming
He did not say "it has become". He said "it is becoming". Are you
really so confident that he will be wrong? It is most certainly
becoming more and more disadvantageous to have a white skin, especially
the English variety in England, and a person who is white and English
is more likely to be prosecuted for something for which a non-white
non-English person would not be prosecuted.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
a crime to be white and English (unless
you're in the World Cup team), but maybe it should be a crime to talk
utter crap on Usenet.
You sound so mad that I was only half-inclined to post this, but I
flipped a coin...
O.
Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
********End***************
So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.
This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.
We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)
Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-14 17:51:13 UTC
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A reply to:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/a92192a5a0bfc840/4bd7c1d228560d23#4bd7c1d228560d23

It's lucky no one is ever likely to listen to you guys. Feeling bitter
is not a justification in itself. The root cause of the change in
England's culture is its' colonial adventures in the 18th, 19th 20th
centuries. Neither the original post nor the Indy report gives enough
information to be clear whether an injustice has taken place or not.

It seems likely that the case turned on the "I hate foreigners"
statement. No problem in saying that, but saying that at work in the
hearing of a foreign person? Sorry, your employers are bound to pack
you off to race-awareness training. In this case, the Maltese woman
complained to her employers, and HSBC didn't see any problem, so they
didn't take any action at all. Thus they got dragged into it. In 2006
Britain, we should have got past people whispering in corners about
'them dirty foreigners taking all our jobs' etc. How can a senior
member of staff show such a lack of judgement as to be so indiscreet,
and be expected to be seen as a neutral manager of junior staff?
Despite the Indy headline, it's more likely that HSBC was found guilty
of taking no action in a breach of race relation legislation (=legal
rules) rather than of supporting a Kilroy-Silk voter. Robert
Kilroy-Silk after all, is neither an offence, nor a racist.

The Indy is also mistaken in printing that 'the case is one of the
first to find that a comment not directly made to another person can
constitute racism.' Similar problems happen all the time in workplaces,
but are usually dealt with before tribunal level.
From the Indy report
snip:
'The case follows that of De Souza v Automobile Association in 1986,
which found that the expression "give the typing to the wog" was not
racial discrimination, even though it caused the victim distress,
because it was not aimed at her.'
end snip

So perhaps your right to make offensive comments at work hasn't been
significantly impaired.

In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
my points. Those non-sequiturs (=not connected to the preceding point):


* taking their families to what are seen as a safer place
Their choice, nothing to do with this case

* your prospects depend on you toeing the party line. Just as in the
Soviet Union
Wild. The 'party line' has enemies on all sides, me included. FSU not
relevant.

* the British citizen who has a perfect right to belong to any
political party they see fit
Purposely misleading. UKIP or whatever membership was not on trial, or
pronounced on.

* revolution, communist takeover, blah, blah. Too mad.

To repeat, employment tribunals are not even at the level of a civil
court, let alone a criminal court, and even though their decisions are
often enforceable in law, the losers are not being found guilty of a
criminal offence, as you imply. QC notwithstanding (=whether a
QC/qualified solicitor is at the tribunal or not). The fact that they
operate under English law is normal - this is England. You yourself
point out that they have to refer to a criminal court if necessary -
they haven't the power to deal with criminal issues.

It is not becoming 'disadvantageous to have a white skin', as you put
it, it's just becoming a more equal playing field. In everyday life,
many people say what they like, but are instinctively careful about
when and where they say it. The '70s ain't coming back. Fewer white
people nowadays stand outside Brixton tube station complaining loudly
to each other about how much they hate niggers and Pakis.

I agree with some of your points (guess!). I'm interested in why you
are so angry, and what you think:
* I wonder if you also feel women are becoming too powerful?
* Could you give actual examples of English people being more likely to
be prosecuted for something for which a non-white non-English person
would not be prosecuted?
* Are you all BNP supporters?
* Chris X: Did you believe 'Bliar' was a 'war criminal' before the
truth about Iraq was generally acknowledged, or were you support the
invasion?
* In what way is this decision ' completely illegal political
interference - has there been yet more legislation?

As a matter of interest, this woman's place of birth is not the issue
either. UK-born non-white people are used to being referred to as
'foreigners'. Sorry, but's too late now, England no longer belongs to
white people, it belongs to its' citizens. There may still be some room
left in Marbella if you don't like it.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
Oh Lawd, who will save Usenet from crap and trolls?
There may be an injustice here, but no-one would know it from the
rubbish you're foaming. Please put your lead back on and go back to the
stormfront kennel. Your post is poorly argued, full of non-sequiturs,
outright lies (anybody in the world who wishes to live on our social
security?). The title of your thread is misleading. An employment
tribunal is not a court, and so no crime is implied. You evidently know
nothing about common forms of racism. It may or may not have happened
in this case, but racism in speech or act is often not face-to-face.
Sooooo... it isn't becoming
He did not say "it has become". He said "it is becoming". Are you
really so confident that he will be wrong? It is most certainly
becoming more and more disadvantageous to have a white skin, especially
the English variety in England, and a person who is white and English
is more likely to be prosecuted for something for which a non-white
non-English person would not be prosecuted.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
a crime to be white and English (unless
you're in the World Cup team), but maybe it should be a crime to talk
utter crap on Usenet.
You sound so mad that I was only half-inclined to post this, but I
flipped a coin...
O.
Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
********End***************
So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.
This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.
We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)
Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
Jon°
2006-07-14 19:18:24 UTC
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***@mailinator.com

Posted the following hugely amusing paragraph.


"In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
my points. Those non-sequiturs (=not connected to the preceding point):"

....................................

Normally I avoid pedantry, however in this case I feel I have the right to
point out the ignorance of a person who makes such condemnatory statements
about others.

This dick-head states that he has tried to use short Anglo-Saxon words as he
seems to think I have a problem with understanding long ones, then he goes
on to say: " Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments". What a give-way,
how ridiculous this "cucking-funt" makes himself look. He has once again
tried to impress by using terms such as ad homonym yet spells it
incorrectly. It is not "ad hominem" you great bloated twat, it is "ad
homonym.

There are so many other syntactical errors and grammatical absurdities in
this "pricks" post that I cannot be bothered to point them all out.

Let us just say that if a person, incorrectly, spells the words that he uses
to pedantically belittle a Usenet opponent........... It clearly shows that
nothing he states is of value.

I have you figured out to be a very young guy, still wet behind the ears
with tiny testicles. Now there is a distinctive use of an "ad homonym"
insult.

Do save the posts you have made on this thread. When you gain a little more
maturity you can re-read them and feel your face glow with embarrassment.


<***@mailinator.com> wrote in message
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-15 00:38:39 UTC
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Ad homynym?!? Hang your head in shame bottomoftheclassGeon* and trudge
back to school! Normally written and read words impress you? What is
your first language anyways? I'll use even shorter words for your
benefit henceforth ( =from now on). In the meantime, keep addressing
the real points at issue.
*homonym for you
Post by Jon°
Posted the following hugely amusing paragraph.
"In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
my points. Those non-sequiturs (=not connected to the preceding point):"
....................................
Normally I avoid pedantry, however in this case I feel I have the right to
point out the ignorance of a person who makes such condemnatory statements
about others.
This dick-head states that he has tried to use short Anglo-Saxon words as he
seems to think I have a problem with understanding long ones, then he goes
on to say: " Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments". What a give-way,
how ridiculous this "cucking-funt" makes himself look. He has once again
tried to impress by using terms such as ad homonym yet spells it
incorrectly. It is not "ad hominem" you great bloated twat, it is "ad
homonym.
There are so many other syntactical errors and grammatical absurdities in
this "pricks" post that I cannot be bothered to point them all out.
Let us just say that if a person, incorrectly, spells the words that he uses
to pedantically belittle a Usenet opponent........... It clearly shows that
nothing he states is of value.
I have you figured out to be a very young guy, still wet behind the ears
with tiny testicles. Now there is a distinctive use of an "ad homonym"
insult.
Do save the posts you have made on this thread. When you gain a little more
maturity you can re-read them and feel your face glow with embarrassment.
Jon°
2006-07-15 11:50:46 UTC
Permalink
SPAMYAMAMA wrote the hysterically funny sentence:

"What is
your first language anyways?"

..............................................................

Once more unto the breach, my dear uneducated friend, and fill this thread
with your syntactical horrors and grammatical absurdities. "ANYWAYS".
Christ (sorry if you are an Arabian Muslim?) I would not have thought that
even a 9 year old child (from a third world country) that was studying
written English would have mad such an enormous howler.

You try so hard to impress on Usenet. (more difficult then in real life
eh!) that it is really rather a shame that you keep making yourself look the
"merchant-banker" (it rhymes!) that you were designed to be. Must be the
poor genes you inherited from the sailor who impregnated your Mum in a back
street in a dock area......Sunshine.




<***@mailinator.com> wrote in message news:***@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ad homynym?!? Hang your head in shame bottomoftheclassGeon* and trudge
back to school! Normally written and read words impress you? What is
your first language anyways? I'll use even shorter words for your
benefit henceforth ( =from now on). In the meantime, keep addressing
the real points at issue.
*homonym for you
Post by Jon°
Posted the following hugely amusing paragraph.
"In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
my points. Those non-sequiturs (=not connected to the preceding point):"
....................................
Normally I avoid pedantry, however in this case I feel I have the right to
point out the ignorance of a person who makes such condemnatory statements
about others.
This dick-head states that he has tried to use short Anglo-Saxon words as he
seems to think I have a problem with understanding long ones, then he goes
on to say: " Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments". What a give-way,
how ridiculous this "cucking-funt" makes himself look. He has once again
tried to impress by using terms such as ad homonym yet spells it
incorrectly. It is not "ad hominem" you great bloated twat, it is "ad
homonym.
There are so many other syntactical errors and grammatical absurdities in
this "pricks" post that I cannot be bothered to point them all out.
Let us just say that if a person, incorrectly, spells the words that he uses
to pedantically belittle a Usenet opponent........... It clearly shows that
nothing he states is of value.
I have you figured out to be a very young guy, still wet behind the ears
with tiny testicles. Now there is a distinctive use of an "ad homonym"
insult.
Do save the posts you have made on this thread. When you gain a little more
maturity you can re-read them and feel your face glow with embarrassment.
Max Muir
2006-07-15 01:53:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jon°
Posted the following hugely amusing paragraph.
"In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
my points. Those non-sequiturs (=not connected to the preceding point):"
....................................
Normally I avoid pedantry, however in this case I feel I have the right to
point out the ignorance of a person who makes such condemnatory statements
about others.
This dick-head states that he has tried to use short Anglo-Saxon words as he
seems to think I have a problem with understanding long ones, then he goes
on to say: " Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments". What a give-way,
Yes, a particularly dishonest complaint in view of the
way his first message in the thread was chocker with
ad hominem. http://tinyurl.com/j8dvu
h***@freeispshares.co.uk
2006-07-14 21:15:03 UTC
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Post by S***@mailinator.com
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.politics.misc/browse_thread/thread/a92192a5a0bfc840/4bd7c1d228560d23#4bd7c1d228560d23
It's lucky no one is ever likely to listen to you guys. Feeling bitter
is not a justification in itself. The root cause of the change in
England's culture is its' colonial adventures in the 18th, 19th 20th
centuries. Neither the original post nor the Indy report gives enough
information to be clear whether an injustice has taken place or not.
It seems likely that the case turned on the "I hate foreigners"
statement. No problem in saying that, but saying that at work in the
hearing of a foreign person? Sorry, your employers are bound to pack
you off to race-awareness training. In this case, the Maltese woman
complained to her employers, and HSBC didn't see any problem, so they
didn't take any action at all. Thus they got dragged into it. In 2006
Britain, we should have got past people whispering in corners about
'them dirty foreigners taking all our jobs' etc. How can a senior
member of staff show such a lack of judgement as to be so indiscreet,
and be expected to be seen as a neutral manager of junior staff?
Despite the Indy headline, it's more likely that HSBC was found guilty
of taking no action in a breach of race relation legislation (=legal
rules) rather than of supporting a Kilroy-Silk voter. Robert
Kilroy-Silk after all, is neither an offence, nor a racist.
The Indy is also mistaken in printing that 'the case is one of the
first to find that a comment not directly made to another person can
constitute racism.' Similar problems happen all the time in workplaces,
but are usually dealt with before tribunal level.
From the Indy report
'The case follows that of De Souza v Automobile Association in 1986,
which found that the expression "give the typing to the wog" was not
racial discrimination, even though it caused the victim distress,
because it was not aimed at her.'
end snip
So perhaps your right to make offensive comments at work hasn't been
significantly impaired.
In addressing the points made, I've tried to use shorter, more
Anglo-Saxon terms to satisfy Jon's problems with the longer words of
his language. Immediate recourse to ad hominem arguments (=arguing the
person because you can't argue the point) doesn't get you any further
when you foam more. The university I went to, what I might have studied
there etc are besides the point. You complain, but have not addressed
* taking their families to what are seen as a safer place
Their choice, nothing to do with this case
* your prospects depend on you toeing the party line. Just as in the
Soviet Union
Wild. The 'party line' has enemies on all sides, me included. FSU not
relevant.
* the British citizen who has a perfect right to belong to any
political party they see fit
Purposely misleading. UKIP or whatever membership was not on trial, or
pronounced on.
* revolution, communist takeover, blah, blah. Too mad.
To repeat, employment tribunals are not even at the level of a civil
court, let alone a criminal court, and even though their decisions are
often enforceable in law, the losers are not being found guilty of a
criminal offence, as you imply. QC notwithstanding (=whether a
QC/qualified solicitor is at the tribunal or not). The fact that they
operate under English law is normal - this is England. You yourself
point out that they have to refer to a criminal court if necessary -
they haven't the power to deal with criminal issues.
It is not becoming 'disadvantageous to have a white skin', as you put
it, it's just becoming a more equal playing field.
No. Ever since 1948 it has been disadvantageous in England to have a
white face and to be English. That was when the systematic removal of
our right to our homeland was started.
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In everyday life,
many people say what they like, but are instinctively careful about
when and where they say it. The '70s ain't coming back. Fewer white
people nowadays stand outside Brixton tube station complaining loudly
to each other about how much they hate niggers and Pakis.
I wonder why!
Post by S***@mailinator.com
I agree with some of your points (guess!). I'm interested in why you
* I wonder if you also feel women are becoming too powerful?
Whom are you addressing? I wonder why you wonder what sort of opinion
someone has about women.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
* Could you give actual examples of English people being more likely to
be prosecuted for something for which a non-white non-English person
would not be prosecuted?
Yes, I have files full of these things.
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* Are you all BNP supporters?
But they're socialists!
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Post by Jon°
So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.
This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.
We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)
Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
M***@aol.com
2006-07-15 08:30:32 UTC
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If you are a white English man you are now a member of something like
the group the Jews became in early Nazi Germany. Always wrong and
always to blame or to have the worst assumed. And gradually to be
squeezed out. Look at the photographs in educational and jobs
publications. In many of them it's difficult to find a white man. White
women are not yet under attack to the same degree. This is in order to
divide and rule.
Robert Henderson
2006-07-15 11:15:59 UTC
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Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be
voting for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she
said he promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
This is a logical development of the forty year long process of
gagging free speech about race and immigration. The case in point
occurred during working hours, but the nature of the ruling is such that
anyone expressing non-pc views about race and immigration anywhere,
even when standing as a candidate in an election, could fall foul of
similar actions for racial discrimination because any of their workmates
could claim this as racial discrimination, basing their claim on the
fact that because someone's non-pc views were known, it would be
unreasonable to expect a member of an ethnic minority to work with
them. In effect, the ruling makes any non-pc view on race and
immigration unlawful for anyone who is employed.

The extent to which the multicultural mania has already gone is
exemplified by the extraordinary amount of time and effort all public
bodies and private bodies receiving public money put into
demonstrating that they are non-discriminatory. They do this because it
is now a legal requirement. Here is the TV Licensing Authority's
response to that requirement:

" Race Equality Scheme - our principles and standards
We have produced a comprehensive Race Equality Scheme that sets out our
principles, standards, policies and duties on this subject. Covering
every aspect of our work, from collecting the licence fee to training
our staff, this 11-page document is available in 15 different languages
and can be downloaded to your computer free of charge. The scheme is
also available in print, large print, Braille and audio.

You can download the document here, just click on the menu box below
and select your preferred language. This document will open in a new
window.

Please select Albanian Arabic Bengali Cantonese English Greek Gujurati
Hindi Punjabi Serbo-Croat Somali Tamil Turkish Urdu Vietnamese Welsh "


It should be noted that the TLA is a small body by government dept
standards, yet it has to devote large resources to this matter.

Whatever you think about race and immigration, if you believe in free
debate and the democratic process, you must oppose the creation of a
legal framework which at best severely limits what may be said on a
vitally important political topic and at worst actually bans discussion
of the topic. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk
Jon°
2006-07-15 11:53:06 UTC
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You have put that very well.
"Robert Henderson" <***@anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
m***@h2009.com
2006-07-15 12:10:30 UTC
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People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Jon°
2006-07-15 13:13:53 UTC
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If that is so why don't those who cannot blend in with white Brits piss off
back from whence they came?
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S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-15 13:29:14 UTC
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Post by Jon°
If that is so why don't those who cannot blend in with white Brits piss off
back from whence they came?
Gertcha!!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
anyways: slang variant of 'anyway'
cf: youse -> you

* homynym of 'hominem'
Jon°
2006-07-15 15:42:20 UTC
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Wherever one goes, whatever one does, one never expects to encounter the
most exacting "cucking-funt" that exists on planet Earth. You though have
given me that opportunity, you really are the most shit-laden arsehole I
have ever been unlucky enough to be in contact with.

I know now why you call yourself SPAMYAMAMA, early on in your "internetal"
life you must have realised that you resembled the effluent that splatters
the net, normally known as "Spam" . You though added Mamma. I can only
assume that you are giving credit to your sailor shagged Mamma, shagged by a
cross-bred "Lasca" against a wall in dockland. You were lucky that you were
not the spunk that missed your Mummies fanny and splashed on the
cobblestones.

Anyway, I wish you well, I do hope that you eventually become an adult and
stop pretending that you are a well adjusted intelligent person.. You will
get used to being the prick you are if you resign yourself to it. There is
no other hope you know, life for you is forever going to be scrambling with
the other DE2,3 and 4's. Keep cleaning your teeth though and washing your
hands. In that way you may be lucky enough to be offered (eventually) a job
cleaning lavatories..

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2006-07-15 15:57:56 UTC
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Post by Jon°
If that is so why don't those who cannot blend in with white Brits piss off
back from whence they came?
Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies. And to find new reasons to bear a grudge
against every white person and to remind us that their countries are
poor not because they left there for richer pickings instead of
building them up but because once upon a time there were white men who
came there. I think at this point we're back with Uncle Rufus again.
buzzbomb
2006-07-15 20:54:44 UTC
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Post by Jon°
If that is so why don't those who cannot blend in with white Brits piss off
back from whence they came?
Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies. And to find new reasons to bear a grudge
against every white person and to remind us that their countries are
poor not because they left there for richer pickings instead of
building them up but because once upon a time there were white men who
came there. I think at this point we're back with Uncle Rufus again.
It does annoy me when some bleeding heart suggests "we" apologise for
slavery. Anybody would think we invented it. It was endemic on the
African continent long before white slavers arrived... Africans were
even taking European slaves long before that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/protest_reform/white_slaves_01.shtml

I'm not suggesting that slavery is right at any level, but neither am I
prepared to be held accountable (and hence apologise for) for activities
200 years ago!

At much the same time the white European working classes were little
better than slaves, The issue here is not black vs. white but
greed&power vs. ordinary people.

B.
M***@aol.com
2006-07-15 21:19:07 UTC
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I'm not suggesting that slavery is right at any level>
Notice how this subject has a kneejerk conditioned reflex requiring him
to point out that he does not support slavery when the points he is
making in no way could suggest any such thing.

This is an example of how effective our brainwashing has been.

The subject will now say he is 'not a racist but'.

The Great Zionrastamarxista

Propaganda Overseer
buzzbomb
2006-07-15 21:34:35 UTC
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Post by M***@aol.com
I'm not suggesting that slavery is right at any level>
Notice how this subject has a kneejerk conditioned reflex requiring him
to point out that he does not support slavery when the points he is
making in no way could suggest any such thing.
This is an example of how effective our brainwashing has been.
I'd not considered my words in quite that way.

Brainwashing maybe.

Perhaps more that any opinion at odds with the PC party line is
immediately demonised... any refusal to apologise for slavery is taken
as inherent support for the practice. In that context perhaps it is a
conditioned, self defence reflex.

B.
Komin
2006-07-16 00:32:34 UTC
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English is a White Racist society , just like German is also a
White racist society ,
German and the English , both have been White racist societies
since before Christ ,
and remember ,
the British Royal family is German , although the Battemburg [
Windsor] speak English , given the fact that Queen Victoria spoke
German as a child because her mother was a German, and her
husband Prince Albert was also German .
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Post by M***@aol.com
I'm not suggesting that slavery is right at any level>
Notice how this subject has a kneejerk conditioned reflex requiring him
to point out that he does not support slavery when the points he is
making in no way could suggest any such thing.
This is an example of how effective our brainwashing has been.
I'd not considered my words in quite that way.
Brainwashing maybe.
Perhaps more that any opinion at odds with the PC party line is
immediately demonised... any refusal to apologise for slavery is taken
as inherent support for the practice. In that context perhaps it is a
conditioned, self defence reflex.
B.
Jon°
2006-07-16 08:20:18 UTC
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Your point is?
"Komin" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
M***@aol.com
2006-07-16 10:38:01 UTC
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Post by Jon°
Your point is?
Yes what was the point?
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-16 11:59:38 UTC
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You can't see that your unreasoned and intemperate opinions are exactly
the reason why you can't get a fair hearing. Evidently all interested
in logical debate have long abandoned this ngp to your splutterings.

To be specific:
Wild-eyed, Tourette-style foaming
Jon°

Laughable exaggeration:
'Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell
every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies...'
***@aol.com

Disconnected logic that wouldn't fool my cat:
'Whatever you think about race and immigration, if you believe in free
debate and the democratic process, you must oppose the creation of a
legal framework which at best severely limits what may be said on a
vitally important political topic* and at worst actually bans
discussion
of the topic'.
Robert Henderson

*at work? in the hearing of the person you are being offensive to? good
luck on convincing people on this one

Too bad for you that the ruling classes don't pay any attention to you.
Black and Asian people are in the UK, in your faces, on TV, in the
police force, sitting next to you, buying the house next door, marrying
your daughters, infesting your national footy team, challenging your
perceptions and imperialist history, changing your culture for ever,
and refusing to leave. There's not a thing you can do about it.

I truly think that you white supremacists were minding your own
business when you were betrayed by the upper and middle classes
(ruthless industrialists, for the most part) of the UK from the '50s
onwards, who did not consult anyone as to the future direction of your
demographics and cultural future. However, you hardly attacked them
then, and still don't now. I believe you should really be able to air
your views publicly, e.g. on Question Time. It's true that you will
have to do *a lot* of work on the quality of your arguments, (and take
Jon° round the back and shoot him before anyone finds out), but while
one can't expect to be able to publicly talk all kinds of offensive
rubbish in an office environment, at the same time adults should be
able to freely hear your arguments in national newspapers, on TV, radio
etc. If everyone doesn't agree with your views, it's tough on them, you
should be allowed to have your say. It is definitely a denial of free
speech that only certain views are allowed in mainstream media.
Post by M***@aol.com
Post by Jon°
If that is so why don't those who cannot blend in with white Brits piss off
back from whence they came?
Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies. And to find new reasons to bear a grudge
against every white person and to remind us that their countries are
poor not because they left there for richer pickings instead of
building them up but because once upon a time there were white men who
came there. I think at this point we're back with Uncle Rufus again.
Jon°
2006-07-16 14:33:28 UTC
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Well Spam, you were well out-voted in this thread. That is why you are
spluttering in an incomprehensible fashion and writing reams of shite.

Why not give up and go ask your Mamma who your Daddy was, she may have an
old picture of the crossbred Lasca to show you.
<***@mailinator.com> wrote in message
M***@aol.com
2006-07-16 19:17:51 UTC
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Laughable exaggeration:
'Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell
every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies...'
***@aol.com >

Well I recommend you read the excellent US black academic Shelby
Steele who can see the obvious and says it.

In the Sunday Times a couple of years ago he said that black
personality was the product of milking white guilt. Most blacks are
soul blind to this obvious fact. It's like the mentality of whites on
welfare. They come to feel there is a law of nature allowing it.

Just the way you talk: 'we take over not a damn thing you can do'
encapulates the mindset of living from others instead of creating your
own thing. Darcus Howe makes a living out of his grudges even using his
son's arrests as a career platform. C4 8pm. The negativity is mind
blowing. Not saying just blacks do it. The Scots do a bit of it among
many others.
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-17 12:57:04 UTC
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Post by S***@mailinator.com
'Because every black person has a duty to come to England and tell
every
white person that they are personally responsible for what happened to
Uncle Rufus in 1786 after his chief sold him to slavers and to demand
endless cash and apologies...'
Every black person? Telling every white person? This is not laughable
exaggeration?
Post by S***@mailinator.com
Well I recommend you read the excellent US black academic Shelby
Steele who can see the obvious and says it.
In the Sunday Times a couple of years ago he said that black
personality was the product of milking white guilt. Most blacks are
soul blind to this obvious fact. It's like the mentality of whites on
welfare. They come to feel there is a law of nature allowing it.
As with white people on welfare, who are often disadvantaged, badly
educated etc, some black people have that issue - and where they have
been seriously discriminated against, for some of this subset it is a
natural way to try and get something back. Excellent academic or not,
Shelby Steele is sometimes right and often wrong. His being black
doesn't give him extra weight, either.

Even worse, you're misquoting Shelby Steele. I don't agree with his
over-generalisation but anyway the correct quote: 'We blacks fell into
a group identity that has absolutely no other purpose than to collect
the fruits of white guilt'
You should know the correct quote Mike, as you've been waving this
article around since January 2003.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
Just the way you talk: 'we take over not a damn thing you can do'
encapulates the mindset of living from others instead of creating your
own thing.
a) Quit misquoting me instead of finding a reasoned argument
My point is that other races are now fixed in UK culture. 'Taking over'
is your fantasy.
b) The majority of black people live ordinary lives, going to work,
earning and spending money. How is this 'living from others'?

Darcus Howe makes a living out of his grudges even using his
Post by S***@mailinator.com
son's arrests as a career platform. C4 8pm. The negativity is mind
blowing.
So what? I think exactly the same thing about Darcus Howe. If you think
he is popular amongst black people (rather than white media), you
should stop reading Steele and talk to people right in front of you.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
Not saying just blacks do it. The Scots do a bit of it among many others.
I'm not surprised the Scots don't like the English- you historically
exploited them, and irretrievably damaged their culture.
Jon°
2006-07-17 14:57:32 UTC
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SPAMYAMAMA posted in his usual unthinking manner:

"you historically
exploited them, and irretrievably damaged their culture."
..................................................

Now that is interesting, (a tiny bit) you use the word "YOU" which seems to
imply that you do not think of yourself as English. Methinks you are an off
duty curry waiter who still smells of the disgusting, "spat on", crap that
he serves to the mugs who use these filthy establishments.

There is many a Scotsman who would kick your nasty arse for saying that his
culture was irretrievably damaged. Scottish culture, you prick, is alive and
well. Go to the Edinburgh festival if you want to find out........Mind don't
go "gobbing" about the Scots having no culture whilst you are there, you may
not return if you do.........That sounds good though!

<***@mailinator.com> wrote in message
M***@aol.com
2006-07-17 18:31:18 UTC
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Even worse, you're misquoting Shelby Steele. I don't agree with his
over-generalisation but anyway the correct quote: 'We blacks fell into
a group identity that has absolutely no other purpose than to collect
the fruits of white guilt' >

I rest my case.....
S***@mailinator.com
2006-07-18 14:02:45 UTC
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Your case is duly rested. However, the fact that you purposely
misquoted stands (group identity is in no way equal to personality,
which is an individual thing). Steele's quote has no more weight, as I
am only one among thousands who have read and disagree with his wild
over-generalisation. His credentials are irrelevant in a matter of
opinion. Clarence Thomas is similarly distinguished, but that doesn't
stop him talking crap.
Post by S***@mailinator.com
Even worse, you're misquoting Shelby Steele. I don't agree with his
over-generalisation but anyway the correct quote: 'We blacks fell into
a group identity that has absolutely no other purpose than to collect
the fruits of white guilt' >
I rest my case.....
Max Muir
2006-07-16 17:27:43 UTC
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Post by m***@h2009.com
People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Very funny Mabon.
Where I worked the Indian Nationalists bang on the table and
declare they are going to extract revenge for the British Raj
(from me presumably).
M***@aol.com
2006-07-16 19:05:16 UTC
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Post by Max Muir
Post by m***@h2009.com
People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Very funny Mabon.
Where I worked the Indian Nationalists bang on the table and
declare they are going to extract revenge for the British Raj
(from me presumably>
When I was in the BNP I had the great pleasure of cross-examining the
secretary of the Indian Worker's Association at a public enquiry. He
was vocal in his complaints about the BNP - racism racial exclusion
well you know the line. I asked him whether Pakistanis could join his
organisation. "Oh no" he said "We don't let the Pakistanis join".

I rest my case (as the commercial traveller said).
buzzbomb
2006-07-16 19:44:53 UTC
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Post by Max Muir
Post by m***@h2009.com
People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Very funny Mabon.
Where I worked the Indian Nationalists bang on the table and
declare they are going to extract revenge for the British Raj
(from me presumably>
When I was in the BNP I had the great pleasure of cross-examining the
secretary of the Indian Worker's Association at a public enquiry. He
was vocal in his complaints about the BNP - racism racial exclusion
well you know the line. I asked him whether Pakistanis could join his
organisation. "Oh no" he said "We don't let the Pakistanis join".
I rest my case (as the commercial traveller said).
Reminds me of a joke... told to me by an Indian.

God appears to a Pakistani & an Indian (which god I'm not sure)... and
says "I'll grant you one wish each"

The Pakistani says "Build a wall, 100ft high, all around my country to
keep the Indians out"

The Indian says "Fill it with water"
Max Muir
2006-07-16 23:08:39 UTC
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Post by Max Muir
Post by m***@h2009.com
People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Very funny Mabon.
Where I worked the Indian Nationalists bang on the table and
declare they are going to extract revenge for the British Raj
(from me presumably>
When I was in the BNP I had the great pleasure of cross-examining the
secretary of the Indian Worker's Association at a public enquiry. He
was vocal in his complaints about the BNP - racism racial exclusion
well you know the line. I asked him whether Pakistanis could join his
organisation. "Oh no" he said "We don't let the Pakistanis join".
I rest my case (as the commercial traveller said).
Hi Mike,
that's breathtaking. Indian Nationalists write the
most blantantly racist things on Usenet.
Notice how Parekh continues his assault on our
free speech while ignoring the tsunami of trash from
his community.
http://www.lecturelist.org/content/view_lecture/2845
M***@aol.com
2006-07-16 19:28:53 UTC
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Post by Max Muir
Post by m***@h2009.com
People have a duty to their fellow co-workers not to offend them
racially.
Mabon Dane
Very funny Mabon.
Where I worked the Indian Nationalists bang on the table and
declare they are going to extract revenge for the British Raj
(from me presumably).
The correct retort is to bang on the table and say "Remember the Black
Hole of Calcutta".

In other company "Remember Isandlwana".

And in yet other company "Remember Captain Cook".
Komin
2006-07-16 00:26:29 UTC
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It is the correct title .
Post by Jon°
http://www.independent.co.uk/http://www.independent.co.uk/
(abridged copy below, go to above link for full version)
HSBC found guilty of racism over Kilroy-Silk backer
"A branch of one of the world's biggest banks has been found guilty of
racism after a senior member of staff told a colleague she would be voting
for Robert Kilroy-Silk at the last general election because she said he
promised to "get rid of the foreigners".
The case is one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to
another person can constitute racism.
Ms Schembri, who lives in Welwyn Garden City, north London, claimed that
Debbie Jones abused her by stating in her presence "I am against
immigration" and "I hate foreigners
This week an employment tribunal ruled the remark could be construed as
racist and ordered HSBC and the supervisor to pay compensation. The case is
one of the first to find that a comment not directly made to another person
can constitute racism."
********End***************
So now if I say: I loathe Argentina' s "footballing fouls", or I don't like
"Southern Sarawakians" I can be sued.
This country is in the grip of madness. There is fascism of the left as
well as from the right. This is what we now have....Fascism of the left
that is turning our nation into a multicultural hell on Earth.
We have opened our borders to anybody in the world who wishes to live on our
social security and if we protest some lefty-liberal sitting on a tribunal
can pronounce us racist and fine us heavily (how long before they bring back
the death penalty for racism?)
Only a revolution will cleanse England now. We have gone too far down the
road of self-destruction to combat what is happening to us in any other way.
The liberal/communist/socialist's have penetrated our institutions, the law,
civil service, councils and government. These products of the sixties
universities are taking us to hell.
Jon°
2006-07-16 08:21:08 UTC
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Again: Your point is?
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